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Author:  2001 [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Transformers 2 225m+ 5-day/450m+ Club

Now that this forum is in "summer" status and summer start is less than a month away, let me start another summer club.

10.0m midnights
50.0m Wednesday

Thursday: 34.8m (-42%)
Friday: 43.5m (+25%)
Saturday: 47.9m (+10%)
Sunday: 40.7m (-15%)

5-day OW - 226.9m
3-day OW - 132.1m


All Time Domestic BO

1. Titanic - 600.8m
2. The Dark Knight - 533.3m
3. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 475.0m


Top Films of the decade adjusted

1. The Dark Knight - 533.3m
2. Shrek 2 - 511.6m
3. Spider-Man - 500.3m
4. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 475.0m
5. Pirates of the Caribbean 2 - 465.3m


Gold Members:
2001
BJ
Munkpool
the ultimate biu
Rev
loyalfromlondon
McSteamy

Author:  Michael A [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

hahaha
no

Author:  BJ [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

in, I expect 100m in two days.

Author:  2001 [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:59 pm ]
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BJ wrote:
in, I expect 100m in two days.


:thumbsup:

Author:  Chippy [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:00 pm ]
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Yeah that sounds about right.

Author:  the ultimate biu [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

In
As crazy as it sounds

Author:  Dr. Lecter [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:02 pm ]
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No...I really kinda doubt it'll beat Dead Man's Chest. Transformers' WoM doesn't even compare to the first Pirates' WoM.

Author:  O [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

I'm getting a huge Shrek 2 feel from Transformers 2 box office wise, where it will act as a "comfort sequel" in a sense. Even if it sucks, everyone will go see it in droves due to the goodwill of the first film.

June being relatively light will help this immensely opening weekend. I see $425 m + very possible, but getting to $475 m + depends a lot on the quality of the film. The original pulled in $155,405,412 in its first 6 days, and being a sequel, $200 m + in 5 days isn't too much of a stretch.

Author:  2001 [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Magnus wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised by that 5-day...but I think it's going to be insanley frontloaded and don't see anything above 425m for it.

Right now, I'd say 195m 5-day and a 410m total.


It only needs a 2.25 multiplier from that 5-day which is not that far from what HP5 did (2.09).

Author:  O [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Magnus wrote:
O wrote:
I'm getting a huge Shrek 2 feel from Transformers 2 box office wise, where it will act as a "comfort sequel" in a sense. Even if it sucks, everyone will go see it in droves due to the goodwill of the first film.

June being relatively light will help this immensely opening weekend. I see $425 m + very possible, but getting to $475 m + depends a lot on the quality of the film. The original pulled in $155,405,412 in its first 6 days, and being a sequel, $200 m + in 5 days isn't too much of a stretch.


The thing is that I really don't feel Transformers audience expanded as much as Shrek did. Keep in mind this is a two year gap, not a three year gap like Shrek 2 and POTC2 was. And the original Shrek and POTC had MUCH better WOM.

I mean, I still think its going to end up breaking 400m+, which would be a major increase over original, but I don't see a MASSIVE increase.


We won't see a Dark Knight jump up for sure and I do see it lagging Shrek 2's jump up. The main thing against this club happening is that Transformers more or less made 50% of its total or so in its first 6 days. It was incredibly frontloaded for the first film in a franchise.

Author:  2001 [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:28 pm ]
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Magnus wrote:
With frontloading these days, 2.25 5-day is quite far from a 2.1.


What I meant is that this can manage a 2.25x if a second ever most frontloaded franchise film did a 2.1x.

Author:  Nazgul9 [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:17 pm ]
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No. Wouldn't even call $400m a lock yet.

Author:  Rev [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

IN :robot: :robot: :robot: :robot:

65m
30m
40m
50m
30m
215m

5 straight days of 30m+ :thumbsup:

Author:  Keyser Söze [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:48 pm ]
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O wrote:
Magnus wrote:
O wrote:
I'm getting a huge Shrek 2 feel from Transformers 2 box office wise, where it will act as a "comfort sequel" in a sense. Even if it sucks, everyone will go see it in droves due to the goodwill of the first film.

June being relatively light will help this immensely opening weekend. I see $425 m + very possible, but getting to $475 m + depends a lot on the quality of the film. The original pulled in $155,405,412 in its first 6 days, and being a sequel, $200 m + in 5 days isn't too much of a stretch.


The thing is that I really don't feel Transformers audience expanded as much as Shrek did. Keep in mind this is a two year gap, not a three year gap like Shrek 2 and POTC2 was. And the original Shrek and POTC had MUCH better WOM.

I mean, I still think its going to end up breaking 400m+, which would be a major increase over original, but I don't see a MASSIVE increase.


We won't see a Dark Knight jump up for sure and I do see it lagging Shrek 2's jump up. The main thing against this club happening is that Transformers more or less made 50% of its total or so in its first 6 days. It was incredibly frontloaded for the first film in a franchise.



Plus I doubt it will expand its fan base. I think 65% of TF OW were Men and under 25. So it is not making 475M with that kind of fan base. Plus 2 year gap is good enough to build huge anticipation and marketing so far have been mediocre.

I would say 170M(5-day)/345M domestic.

Author:  Kris K [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:57 pm ]
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I think the legs will be dire, not because of 'quality' but just because of sheer fan rush.

I think $400M is the top for this.

Author:  BJ [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Rev wrote:
IN :robot: :robot: :robot: :robot:

65m
30m
40m
50m
30m
215m

5 straight days of 30m+ :thumbsup:


wed: 65m
thur: 35.5m -45%
fri: 39m +10%
sat: 43m +10%
sun: 38.5m -10%

230m 5-Day

mon: 20.90m -45%

252m 6-Day

tue: 16.7m -20%
wed: 11.55m -30%
thur: 10.00m -12%
fri: 20.00m +100%

300m 10-Day

sat: 14.0m -30% (4th)

465m-480m top out.

Author:  Rev [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

BJ wrote:
Rev wrote:
IN :robot: :robot: :robot: :robot:

65m
30m
40m
50m
30m
215m

5 straight days of 30m+ :thumbsup:


wed: 65m
thur: 35.5m -45%
fri: 39m +10%
sat: 43m +10%
sun: 38.5m -10%

230m 5-Day

mon: 20.90m -45%

252m 6-Day

tue: 16.7m -20%
wed: 11.55m -30%
thur: 10.00m -12%
fri: 20.00m +100%

300m 10-Day

sat: 14.0m -30% (4th)

465m-480m top out.


SHOW OFF!

:P

Author:  Speevy [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Magnus wrote:
And the original Shrek and POTC had MUCH better WOM.


And what is that based on?

Yahoo
POTC: A-(12 all time)
Transformers: A-(13 all time)
Shrek: B+


Cinemascore

POTC: A
Transformers: A
Shrek: 96% favorable

Author:  Speevy [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

IMDB isn't exactly as mainstream friendly as Yahoo and Cinemascore.

Author:  Speevy [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Or against it when we look at the anti-Michael Bay, anti-Transformers sentiment from the geeky fans (which the internet is made up of) of the show that populate IMDB.

Author:  Corpse [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:05 pm ]
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I'm with Magnus on this in that the 5-Day is more likely than the total.

At the moment, I'm going with 190/400, but can see a 200m 5-Day, low 400 finish.

Author:  MadGez [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:29 pm ]
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The 5-day for this will be jawdropping. Absolutely jaw-dropping.

Author:  Biggestgeekever [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:25 pm ]
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Speevy wrote:
IMDB isn't exactly as mainstream friendly as Yahoo and Cinemascore.
Considering the kind of films that are top rated at Yahoo, I don't think it's exactly a great barometer for reading WOM either.

Author:  Speevy [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transformers 2 210m+ 5-day/475m+ Club

Biggestgeekever wrote:
Speevy wrote:
IMDB isn't exactly as mainstream friendly as Yahoo and Cinemascore.
Considering the kind of films that are top rated at Yahoo, I don't think it's exactly a great barometer for reading WOM either.


Like?

Author:  Biggestgeekever [ Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:35 pm ]
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Speevy wrote:
Biggestgeekever wrote:
Speevy wrote:
IMDB isn't exactly as mainstream friendly as Yahoo and Cinemascore.
Considering the kind of films that are top rated at Yahoo, I don't think it's exactly a great barometer for reading WOM either.


Like?
Anything with Tyler Perry, Coach Carter, Eagle Eye, Changeling, hell half the damn list is total WTF movies.

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