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It has nothing to do with guilt.

The people were just murdered; give them their time in the sun.

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So no studio is reporting this weekend then?


No, because apparently doing is disrespectful.

Plastering the murderer's smiling picture all over the place is important news, but releasing some numbers on the internet would just cause the families of those dead too much sadness. Good thing they can watch endless coverage on every detail of who the murderer is and what he was like pre-spree killing without being put through the trauma of seeing a DKR trailer on NBC.

And, just to clarify, I'm not pissed off that we have to wait for Monday for figures or that DKR's weekend will be somewhat deflated. It's the complete catering to the shooter's goals dressed up in "respect" (for the dead and/or family of dead) that kind of infuriates me.


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The shooting should very much have a widespread effect as far as gun control, security, approach of mental illness etc. are concerned. On a society-wide scale, yes.


I agree with your other point re: film industry admission of guilt, but why would any of this even be needed? It is not as if mass murders at the theater is any kind of ongoing problem. One person being a crazy, evil piece of garbage does not constitute a societal problem.


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Malcolm wrote:
Magic Mike wrote:
So no studio is reporting this weekend then?


No, because apparently doing is disrespectful.

Plastering the murderer's smiling picture all over the place is important news, but releasing some numbers on the internet would just cause the families of those dead too much sadness. Good thing they can watch endless coverage on every detail of who the murderer is and what he was like pre-spree killing without being put through the trauma of seeing a DKR trailer on NBC.

And, just to clarify, I'm not pissed off that we have to wait for Monday for figures or that DKR's weekend will be somewhat deflated. It's the complete catering to the shooter's goals dressed up in "respect" (for the dead and/or family of dead) that kind of infuriates me.


What I find particularly funny is that WB seems to think that holding off the boxoffice numbers is a way to show respect for the families.

Fuck WB. We all know that the executives over there are really mad that this killer screwed up all the money they could have made. They are businessmen.

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Malcolm wrote:
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The shooting should very much have a widespread effect as far as gun control, security, approach of mental illness etc. are concerned. On a society-wide scale, yes.


I agree with your other point re: film industry admission of guilt, but why would any of this even be needed? It is not as if mass murders at the theater is any kind of ongoing problem. One person being a crazy, evil piece of garbage does not constitute a societal problem.


Oh, the theatrev thing is not mportant. It could happen anywhere, at any place. Too bad for Warner Bros that it happened at their screening.

But better gun control, that is a must. For fuck's sake, the dude purchased his ammunition online. :grrr:

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This whole let's make a dramatic scene out of a tragedy bullshit has gotten so unbearably bad. Hopefully that number is really low, but if WB actually doesn't report anything then we'll have to wait till monday to know? What the fucking fuck is wrong with people?!

12 people dying in colorado that you don't know or don't care about shouldn't have anything to do with a movie that happened to be playing during the time of the shooting. let's be real here, it's all political bullshit. Yeah people died in a shooting, life sucks, but shit happens and it shouldn't have much of an effect on anyone outside of colorado. Asshole point of view or not, it's the truth.

I completely and utterly agree. This over-sympathetic bullshit is completely goddamn ridiculous. There are nearly 7 billion people on this fucking planet, over 300 million in this country. Thousands die and are born every day. I don't get how being shot is that much scarier than dying of liver disease? Is the element of surprise really that big of a deal? If so then why is this so much worse than the dozens of people who die in car accidents every day? That's just as unexpected.

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You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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Oh, the theatrev thing is not mportant. It could happen anywhere, at any place. Too bad for Warner Bros that it happened at their screening.

But better gun control, that is a must. For fuck's sake, the dude purchased his ammunition online. :grrr:


Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

But good luck ever telling Americans they aren't allowed to buy whatever 21st century killing machine they desire en masse--now from the ease of their own home! Y'know, for hunting and home protection.


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Malcolm wrote:
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Oh, the theatrev thing is not mportant. It could happen anywhere, at any place. Too bad for Warner Bros that it happened at their screening.

But better gun control, that is a must. For fuck's sake, the dude purchased his ammunition online. :grrr:


Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

But good luck ever telling Americans they aren't allowed to buy whatever 21st century killing machine they desire en masse--now from the ease of their own home! Y'know, for hunting and home protection.

I was going to argue this too. You feel so bad for the victims of these types of brutal tragedies? Don't let the motherfuckers fill out a sheet of paper and then buy whatever mass killing instrument they fucking want. Fuck it's simple.

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You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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I don't see the full estimates posted anywhere?


1. The Dark Knight Rises (Legendary/Warner Bros) NEW [4,404 Theaters]
Friday $77.2M, Weekend $170M

2. Ice Age 4 (Blue Sky/Fox) Week 2 [3,886 Theaters]
Friday $6.8M (-51%), Weekend $21.6M, Cume $90.1M

3. The Amazing Spider-Man (Columbia/Sony) Week 3 [3,753 Theaters]
Friday $3.3M, Weekend $11.4M, Cume $229.1M

4. Ted (MRC/Universal) Week 4 [3,214 Theaters]
Friday $3.1M, Weekend $10.2M, Cume $180.7M

5. Brave (Pixar/Disney) Week 5 [2,899 Theaters]
Friday $1.9M, Weekend $6.5M, Cume $209.3M

6. Magic Mike (Warner Bros) Week 4 [2,606 Theaters]
Friday $1.6M, Weekend $4.3M, Cume $102.1M

7. Savages (Universal) Week 3 [2,336 Theaters]
Friday $986K, Weekend $3.3M, Cume $40.0M

8. Madea’s Witness Protection (TPerry/Lionsgate) Week 4 [1,540 Theaters]
Friday $744K, Weekend $2.2M, Cume $60.3M

9. Moonrise Kingdom (Focus Features) Week 9 [895 Theaters]
Friday $551K, Weekend $1.9M, Cume $36.2M

10. Madagascar 3 (DreamWorks Anim/Par) Week 7 [1,261 Theaters]
Friday $447K, Weekend $1.5M, Cume $207.8M

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You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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Umm, so Spider-Man got FUCKED. That's an estimated 65+% drop.

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Umm, so Spider-Man got FUCKED. That's an estimated 65+% drop.

It was doing consistent single digit admissions to shows at my theater, incredibly slow. You'd think being less dark it could keep some families and maybe females, but I don't think this was as big with those demographics as the other spider-man movies.

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You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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weekend range is from 162-175 million...

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woof, w.b. are probably missing out on about 10 million a day

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I really wonder what today and tomorrow look like. How long does it take people to move on. I could easily see a big rebound actually, already. The day it happens is freaky, the next day, is it still as big of a deal? We'll see.

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Malcolm wrote:
You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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Moonrise Kingdom definitely isn't doing 50 Million, IMO. 45 or over is still great though.


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I really wonder what today and tomorrow look like. How long does it take people to move on. I could easily see a big rebound actually, already. The day it happens is freaky, the next day, is it still as big of a deal? We'll see.


I'm a little more interested in next weekend, since nothing major is opening. There's time for people to sort of come out of their shell-shock.


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The shooting had an effect. There's no way around it. Even if we're just talking about a few million people (a small part of the overall population), that's still tens of millions of dollars.

And I don't blame people. Like, I myself would still go but I understand why people, especially initially, will be reluctant. I remember being scared when my dad went on an airplane a week after 9/11. It happens. It'll wear off eventually but the initial shock has a big effect.

I had feelings somewhat like that then, I was 11. Now I'm 21 and it feels fucking foolish. Why the fuck would another plane be in jeopardy just because a week ago four were use for a single organized attack, at one random point in history. If anything it becomes less likely cause noone's going to repeat this shit right after it happens.
I can understand people in that particular town of colorado only, being somewhat anxious for one day, with the logic that perhaps he had planned this with some other local madman. But that's all. Otherwise it's just senseless fear and people need to fucking think if they believe they're in any more danger in a theater than they would have been 2 days ago.

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Malcolm wrote:
You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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The shooting should very much have a widespread effect as far as gun control, security, approach of mental illness etc. are concerned. On a society-wide scale, yes.

It should NOT have an effect on fucking TV spots of a movie, box-office reporting etc. That's insane and, IMO, essentially an admission of some sort of guilt that does not exist.


Good post except the bolded part won't happen, I am afraid.

It never happens in this country. We suspend political ads, don't release b.o. #s, pray, spend more on security procedures, anything but deal with the elephant in the room, i.e. how easy it is for unstable people to purchase means of mass destruction on a local scale. We blame movies, music, parents, whatever handy scapegoat is availabe, because guns don't kill people, but everything else under the sun apparently does.

When planes crash or similiar tragedies occur we don't allow the alcohol industry a pass, because booze doesn't kill people. There may be political grandstanding, but the reasons for the incident are acknowledged and addressesed usually. Drug and alcohol screens are implemented, more down time is required, malfuctions or design flaws are corrected. It is not perfect, sometimes problems are covered up, but it is healthier and a better system than how we deal with mass shootings. We just throw are hands up and resign ourselves that this is price of freedom, when it is the price of stupidity and inaction.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
The shooting should very much have a widespread effect as far as gun control, security, approach of mental illness etc. are concerned. On a society-wide scale, yes.

It should NOT have an effect on fucking TV spots of a movie, box-office reporting etc. That's insane and, IMO, essentially an admission of some sort of guilt that does not exist.


Good post except the bolded part won't happen, I am afraid.

It never happens in this country. We suspend political ads, don't release b.o. #s, pray, spend more on security procedures, anything but deal with the elephant in the room, i.e. how easy it is for unstable people to purchase means of mass destruction on a local scale. We blame movies, music, parents, whatever handy scapegoat is availabe, because guns don't kill people, but everything else under the sun apparently does.

When planes crash or similiar tragedies occur we don't allow the alcohol industry a pass, because booze doesn't kill people. There may be political grandstanding, but the reasons for the incident are acknowledged and addressesed usually. Drug and alcohol screens are implemented, more down time is required, malfuctions or design flaws are corrected. It is not perfect, sometimes problems are covered up, but it is healthier and a better system than how we deal with mass shootings. We just throw are hands up and resign ourselves that this is price of freedom, when it is the price of stupidity and inaction.


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Malcolm wrote:
You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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Wow, all of those numbers are at least 10% less than what she had early this morning. Spider-Man especially got boned.


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I'm seeing a few more TDKR sell-outs today than I saw yesterday.


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Michael A wrote:
Magnus wrote:
The shooting had an effect. There's no way around it. Even if we're just talking about a few million people (a small part of the overall population), that's still tens of millions of dollars.

And I don't blame people. Like, I myself would still go but I understand why people, especially initially, will be reluctant. I remember being scared when my dad went on an airplane a week after 9/11. It happens. It'll wear off eventually but the initial shock has a big effect.

I had feelings somewhat like that then, I was 11. Now I'm 21 and it feels fucking foolish. Why the fuck would another plane be in jeopardy just because a week ago four were use for a single organized attack, at one random point in history. If anything it becomes less likely cause noone's going to repeat this shit right after it happens.
I can understand people in that particular town of colorado only, being somewhat anxious for one day, with the logic that perhaps he had planned this with some other local madman. But that's all. Otherwise it's just senseless fear and people need to fucking think if they believe they're in any more danger in a theater than they would have been 2 days ago.


It is not just the fear of the event. If you are inundated with stories about a shooting at a mall or a theater, many people will not feel comfortable in that situation. If you read accounts of something like blood all over a wall at a department store or a restaurant, some people will not feel comfortable in that enviroment even if they were not anywhere close to the scene of the event. It is just how some people react. Fear can often times be an irrational response, and many people staying away from something like this are not acting out of fear even. As my wife stated, being in a theater this weekend for most people would be creepy, because of what took place. Something that was used as an escape from the real world has become a depressing reminder that you can't even escape there anymore, at least that is how it feels to some people.

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This whole let's make a dramatic scene out of a tragedy bullshit has gotten so unbearably bad. Hopefully that number is really low, but if WB actually doesn't report anything then we'll have to wait till monday to know? What the fucking fuck is wrong with people?!

12 people dying in colorado that you don't know or don't care about shouldn't have anything to do with a movie that happened to be playing during the time of the shooting. let's be real here, it's all political bullshit. Yeah people died in a shooting, life sucks, but shit happens and it shouldn't have much of an effect on anyone outside of colorado. Asshole point of view or not, it's the truth.


Just because we don't "know" these people does not give you a right to dictate how people should be responding to an event like this.

I mean, yeah, I'm all in favor of not letting fear run your life and I'm certainly not about to start avoiding the movies. But people are allowed to respond to a traumatic event like this, especially one that hits so close to home for a lot of people, in any way they should see fit.

And you should learn to get some sensitivity.


Is it possible you are both right?

There is a hypocrisy in so much media coverage for this individual event when so many people are killed around the world or just in this country everyday. It is implying worth to certain people's lives while ignoring others and to point that out is healthy. It is also healthy to point out that all of us can not care out about everything, and we can't all process death in the same manner. It is valid to question how we deal with an event such as this, and it is valid to not expect uniformity in how people cope.

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I think TDKR should increase from non Friday midnights

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Magnus wrote:
The shooting had an effect. There's no way around it. Even if we're just talking about a few million people (a small part of the overall population), that's still tens of millions of dollars.

And I don't blame people. Like, I myself would still go but I understand why people, especially initially, will be reluctant. I remember being scared when my dad went on an airplane a week after 9/11. It happens. It'll wear off eventually but the initial shock has a big effect.

I had feelings somewhat like that then, I was 11. Now I'm 21 and it feels fucking foolish. Why the fuck would another plane be in jeopardy just because a week ago four were use for a single organized attack, at one random point in history. If anything it becomes less likely cause noone's going to repeat this shit right after it happens.
I can understand people in that particular town of colorado only, being somewhat anxious for one day, with the logic that perhaps he had planned this with some other local madman. But that's all. Otherwise it's just senseless fear and people need to fucking think if they believe they're in any more danger in a theater than they would have been 2 days ago.


It is not just the fear of the event. If you are inundated with stories about a shooting at a mall or a theater, many people will not feel comfortable in that situation. If you read accounts of something like blood all over a wall at a department store or a restaurant, some people will not feel comfortable in that enviroment even if they were not anywhere close to the scene of the event. It is just how some people react. Fear can often times be an irrational response, and many people staying away from something like this are not acting out of fear even. As my wife stated, being in a theater this weekend for most people would be creepy, because of what took place. Something that was used as an escape from the real world has become a depressing reminder that you can't even escape there anymore, at least that is how it feels to some people.


I have counter-arguments, basically saying irrational fear is stupid, but I'm tired of fucking talking about it.

Moonrise Kingdom should have expanded this weekend, it's doing so well I just don't understand why its losing theaters, ugh.

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You seem to think threatening violence against people is perfectly okay because you feel offended by their words, so that's kind of telling in itself.

Exactly. If they don't know how to behave, and feel OK offending others, they get their ass kicked, so they'll think next time before opening their rotten mouths.


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