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With NET NEUTRALITY, internet service providers (ISPs) treat all web content and applications the same, allowing the same speed (per internet service plan) regardless of the hosting websites.

Without NET NEUTRALITY, ISPs can slow down traffic to and from certain websites at will. They can discriminate based on the source of web content and applications. Essentially, they can use the power to control web traffic to stifle competition and block flow of information.

Now the FCC has gutted the net neutrality rules, will the public backlash or the court be enough to save the rules?



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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules
(December 14, 2017)

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WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies the power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped the so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone service.

The action reversed the agency’s 2015 decision, during the Obama administration, to have stronger oversight over broadband providers as Americans have migrated to the internet for most communications. It reflected the view of the Trump administration and the new F.C.C. chairman that unregulated business will eventually yield innovation and help the economy.

It will take weeks for the repeal to go into effect, so consumers will not see any of the potential changes right away. But the political and legal fight started immediately. Numerous Democrats on Capitol Hill called for a bill that would reestablish the rules, and several Democratic state attorneys general, including Eric T. Schneiderman of New York, said they would file a suit to stop the change.

Several public interest groups including Public Knowledge and the National Hispanic Media Coalition also promised to file a suit. The Internet Association, the trade group that represents big tech firms such as Google and Facebook, said it also was considering legal action.

The commission’s chairman, Ajit Pai, vigorously defended the repeal before the vote. He said the rollback of the rules would eventually benefit consumers because broadband providers like AT&T and Comcast could offer them a wider variety of service options. His two fellow Republican commissioners also supported the change, giving them a 3-to-2 majority.

“We are helping consumers and promoting competition,” Mr. Pai said. “Broadband providers will have more incentive to build networks, especially to underserved areas.”

The discarding of the net neutrality regulations is the most significant and controversial action by the F.C.C. under Mr. Pai. In his first 11 months as chairman, he has lifted media ownership limits, eased caps on how much broadband providers can charge business customers and cut back on a low-income broadband program that was slated to be expanded to nationwide carriers.

His plan for the net neutrality rules, first outlined early this year, set off a flurry of opposition. The issue has bubbled up occasionally for more than a decade, with the debate getting more intense over the years as digital services have become more ingrained in everyday life.

Critics of the changes say that consumers will have more difficulty accessing content online and that start-ups will have to pay to reach consumers. In the past week, there have been hundreds of protests across the country, and many websites have encouraged users to speak up against the repeal.

In front of a room packed with reporters and television cameras from the major networks, the two Democratic commissioners warned of consumer harms to come from the changes.

Mignon Clyburn, one of the Democratic commissioners, presented two accordion folders full of letters protesting the changes, and accused the three Republican commissioners of defying the wishes of millions of Americans by ceding their oversight authority.

“I dissent, because I am among the millions outraged,” said Ms. Clyburn. “Outraged, because the F.C.C. pulls its own teeth, abdicating responsibility to protect the nation’s broadband consumers.”

Brendan Carr, a Republican commissioner, said it was a “great day” and dismissed critics’ “apocalyptic” warnings.

“I’m proud to end this two-year experiment with heavy-handed regulation,” Mr. Carr said.

During Mr. Pai’s speech before the vote, security guards entered the meeting room at the F.C.C. headquarters and told everyone to evacuate. The commissioners were ushered out a back door. The agency did not say what had caused the evacuation, other than Mr. Pai saying it had been done “on advice of security.” The hearing restarted a short time later.

Despite all the uproar, it is unclear how much will eventually change for internet users. Major telecom companies like AT&T and Comcast, as well as two of the industry’s major trade groups, have promised consumers that their experiences online would not change.

Mr. Pai and his Republican colleagues have echoed the comments of the telecom companies, which have told regulators that because of the limits to their business imposed by the rules, they weren’t expanding and upgrading their networks as quickly as they wanted.

“There is a lot of misinformation that this is the ‘end of the world as we know it’ for the internet,” Comcast’s senior executive vice president, David Cohen, wrote in a blog post this week. “Our internet service is not going to change.”

But with the F.C.C. making clear that it will no longer oversee the behavior of broadband providers, telecom experts said, the companies could feel freer to come up with new offerings, such as faster tiers of service for online businesses willing and able to pay for it. Some of those costs could be passed on to consumers.

Those experts also said that such prioritization could stifle certain political voices or give the telecom conglomerates with media assets an edge over their rivals.

Consumer groups, start-ups and many small businesses said there have already been examples of net neutrality violations by companies, such as when AT&T blocked FaceTime on iPhones using its network.

These critics of Mr. Pai, who was nominated by President Trump, said there isn’t enough competition in the broadband market to trust that the companies will try to offer the best services. The rule changes, they believe, give providers incentive to begin charging websites to reach consumers.

“Let’s remember why we have these rules in the first place,” said Michael Beckerman, president of the Internet Association, the trade group. “There is little competition in the broadband service market.”

Dozens of Democratic lawmakers, and some Republicans, have pushed for Congress to pass a law on the issue.

One Republican commissioner, Mike O’Reilly, said he supported a law created by Congress for net neutrality. But he said any law should be less restrictive than the 2015 rules, protecting the ability of companies to charge for faster lanes, a practice known as “paid prioritization.”

Any legislative action appears to be far off, however, and numerous online companies warned that the changes approved on Thursday should be taken seriously.

“If we don’t have net neutrality protections that enforce tenets of fairness online, you give internet service providers the ability to choose winners and losers,” Steve Huffman, chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “This is not hyperbole.”


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This is an explainer by BBC:



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An insightful Twitter thread on the topic (courtesy of Chippy):





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Removing nn was a carrier breaker, I think a lot of people are going to get sacked in the coming months/years.

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It is a fucking hellscape in my area now that the internet is reset to 2015 regulations. I am writing this from a pay phone. Send food and water. Wish me luck. Gonna head outside.


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One step closer to being China. :rofl:


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It is like Professor Umbridge came to my house and made me write "Fuck Net Neutrality" 200x on my hand. Fucking Verizon probably sent her. Jesus where is Harry Potter when we need him? Pornhub is already charging me per orgasm and I am a sex junky.

Heading back out into the wilds. God be with me.


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Pretty good video debunking the misinformation being spread around:



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Net neutrality was introduced in 1996 under the Telecommunications Act. What took place during the Obama administration was the reclassification of net neutrality from title one classification to title two classification. The reason why it was reclassified is due to the ongoing problem of Internet service providing monopolies blackmailing and throttling smaller companies and damaging the public's access to an otherwise public utility.

Verizon, Belle, Rogers, or Comcast cannot ban Internet access to Hulu or Netflix for the same reason your electricity company cannot ban electricity to Samsung TVs this ensures that the utility provider is providing access to the utility itself rather than selling the many things the utility can be used for.


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Oh god! I am even more scared now. That robot voice was only a robot voice because Verizon required it to be! They throttled his bandwidth and made him into a robot. Like one of the three unforgivable curses.

What the hell will we do without government telling one major corporation what to do to another major corporation? I preferred the government telling the other major corporation what to do to the other other major corporation! I am worried with fear that Netflix and Google will die or that the next innovative porn site never even gets off the ground because it cannot compete.


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Net neutrality empowers the internet user, keeping the ISP from messing with web traffic.

Alright, all regulations are bad. But government and corporations banding together is worse. Without net neutrality, the few big telecom companies could apply their web traffic filtering to state surveillance and policing. That would be a perfect state of crony-capitalism.


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Net neutrality empowers the internet user, keeping the ISP from messing with web traffic.

Alright, all regulations are bad. But government and corporations banding together is worse. Without net neutrality, the few big telecom companies could apply their web traffic filtering to state surveillance and policing. That would be a perfect state of crony-capitalism.


Ok I am taking off my shtick hat for now. What does the bolded portion have to to with net neutrality? Facebook and Google were two of the biggest proponents of "net neutrality." Are you telling me those those two don't already know intimate details about all of our lives which in effect amounts to 24/7 corporate surveillance of your life that is subject to government backdoors and warrants?


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i.hope wrote:
Net neutrality empowers the internet user, keeping the ISP from messing with web traffic.

Alright, all regulations are bad. But government and corporations banding together is worse. Without net neutrality, the few big telecom companies could apply their web traffic filtering to state surveillance and policing. That would be a perfect state of crony-capitalism.


Ok I am taking off my shtick hat for now. What does the bolded portion have to to with net neutrality? Facebook and Google were two of the biggest proponents of "net neutrality." Are you telling me those those two don't already know intimate details about all of our lives which in effect amounts to 24/7 corporate surveillance of your life that is subject to government backdoors and warrants?


Okay, so Facebook and Google are bad enough. Now you want Verizon and Comcast to have more intrusive power of surveillance of all internet users. Wait, isn't Verizon the one collecting all phone data for the government?

Again, net neutrality gives the internet user more control in how they use the internet, choosing whatever website and content they want to connect to.


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I simply want people to consider that corporations act in their shareholders interest and are not altruistic. Contrary to the media's portrayal of Netflix, Google, Amazon, and Facebook as "good" and Verizon, Comcast, and AT&T as "evil."

Consider that Netflix has a self-interest in net neutrality and in effect it punishes low internet users with additional costs via the ISP and favors high internet users through cost sharing with the low usage users. Me, who downloads YouTube, Netflix, and games all day ends up paying the same in my area as my mother that uses Facebook and recipe.com. Sure we both get 10mb/sec download speeds but she is only ever using 1mb/sec compared to my steady state 10mb/sec.

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I simply want people to consider that corporations act in their shareholders interest and are not altruistic


Maybe, maybe not. If they contradict, it is another problem, and it is counterproductive to ignore those problems by saying it is normal.

Anyway, it would be nice to pretend rules don’t matter, and are not needed, that attitude has a way of ending with a rude awakening.


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AT&T’s top lobbyist Bob Quinn is "retiring" over paying Trump's personal lawyer.

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But while Stephenson says he takes “full responsibility” for the mistake, it actually seems like AT&T’s top lobbyist Bob Quinn is taking the hit. Stephenson also announced in his message that Quinn “will be retiring,” and that the company’s lobbying shop will now be reporting to AT&T General Counsel David McAtee.

If you’ve been following any of the net neutrality saga in recent years, you’ve probably seen Quinn’s name once or twice. As one of the telecommunications industry’s most vocal and aggressive lobbyists, he’s spent a lot of time railing against things like net neutrality and internet privacy rules. (Quinn has been defending dubious ISP bullshit since the days of AT&T blocking FaceTime over mobile internet, one of the company’s most egregious abuses.) While his title was technically “Senior Executive Vice President of External & Legislative Affairs,” he often acted as AT&T’s chief blogger, posting lengthy screeds about why internet advocates were hyperventilating and distorting the facts.

AT&T isn’t going to change its tune on sensible internet regulation just because Quinn’s gone, but we’ll probably see fewer spicy blog posts before his position is filled.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/11/17344040/at-t-michael-cohen-lawyer-lobbyist-bob-quinn


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Senate votes to reinstate net neutrality — but it has a long way to go

The Senate has voted to save net neutrality, but don’t get your hopes up: there’s still a long, likely impossible journey ahead if the policy is to be saved in the immediate future.

In a 52–47 vote today, senators voted to overturn the Federal Communication Commission’s Restoring Internet Freedom Order, which took net neutrality rules off the books. They were able to do so using the Congressional Review Act, or CRA, which allows Congress to reverse recent decisions by government agencies. Republican control of Congress means that such a measure wouldn’t normally even make it up for a vote; but the CRA allows senators to force a vote by obtaining 30 signatures.

All 49 Democrats voted in favor, as well as Republican Senators Susan Collins, of Maine; John Kennedy, of Louisiana; and Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska.

While advocates have argued that this is a step toward reinstating net neutrality, it’s really a long-shot attempt that seems to be meant more to get the issue back on voters’ minds — and to force politicians to take a position ahead of what’s expected to be a tumultuous midterm election.

In order for net neutrality to actually be reinstated, two more things have to happen. First, the House has to use the CRA to overturn the policy as well. That’s even harder. Instead of 30 signatures, net neutrality supporters have to collect signatures from a full majority of House members. Even if they get every single Democrat on board — and they don’t have that yet — they’d still need the support of 22 Republicans. And finally, if that happened and they all voted to reverse the policy, it’d still have to get signed by President Trump, who is not a fan of the policy.

While it’s obviously an uphill battle, net neutrality advocates seem to be holding out hope that they could actually get through the House, too. There’s a degree of bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done on net neutrality. And with midterms coming up, representatives in challenging districts may be more inclined to support the popular, consumer-friendly policy. As for Trump, well, you never know exactly how he’s going to wake up each day, or so the argument goes.

In reality, this is more about setting up whatever comes next for net neutrality, likely a few years down the line. The general consensus at this point is that net neutrality is now out of the FCC’s hands, and that Congress will have to act to reinstate some of its outgoing rules. It’s not at all clear how soon that’ll happen, but forcing Congress to take a vote helps to clarify the playing field and make sure it’s something legislators are thinking about.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/16/17357592/net-neutrality-senate-vote-cra-reinstate-fcc-rules


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It will not be reinstated.

Companies already discriminate and do it openly. Hopefully ISPs aren't run by that side too.

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It will not be reinstated.

Companies already discriminate and do it openly. Hopefully ISPs aren't run by that side too.


You can bet on that. 40% of the US population lives in places where there is Z-E-R-O competition in the broadband ISP market. It is prone to discriminatory practice.


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Victory for the people!

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Amazing how "advanced" our country is... but how fucking stupid we are with so many things.

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Victory for the people!

Doesn't the House still need to vote?


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Amazing how fucking stupid our country is... but how advanced we are at a few things.


Fixed.


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Chippy wrote:
Amazing how "advanced" our country is... but how fucking stupid we are with so many things.


https://www.recode.net/2018/12/12/18134899/internet-broafband-faster-ookla

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Finally some good news: The internet is getting faster, especially fixed broadband internet. Broadband download speeds in the U.S. rose 35.8 percent and upload speeds are up 22 percent from last year, according to internet speed-test company Ookla in its latest U.S. broadband report.


I thought the U.S. was going to fail when Net Neutrality ended last year and was devolving, at least per some self- proclaimed knowledgeable citizens. Get ready for "but it would have went up 63% prior to the old rule ending."


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I thought the U.S. was going to fail when Net Neutrality ended last year and was devolving, at least per some self- proclaimed knowledgeable citizens. Get ready for "but it would have went up 63% prior to the old rule ending."


Oh, net neutrality rules ended June 11 this year, not last year. The report you quoted covered 2018 Q2, when the rules were still in effect.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/10/technology/net-neutrality-end-date/index.html

And it's not only about internet speed, which will increase with technological advance. You can have fast internet and selective connection hobbling at the same time (Look at some big cities in China.). People eventually adapt to censorship. Above all, net neutrality is about freedom of choice.

And you think internet providers will mess with net traffic right away? That's not how it works. They will want things to cool down first before they act (against consumers' interests).


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