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 Obama's "four specific steps" 

Are you satisfied with Obama's "steps" to address concerns about NSA snooping?
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 Obama's "four specific steps" 
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Post Obama's "four specific steps"
Yesterday, President Obama held his first formal news conference at White House since April, to specifically address concerns about once-secret US surveillance programs.



Full transcript via Washington Post

Obama discussed "four specific steps... to move the debate forward":

1. To work with Congress to reform Section 215 of the Patriot Act which governs the collection of telephone records

2. To work with Congress to "make sure civil liberties concerns have an independent voice" in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which reviews requests from the government to conduct programmatic surveillance and issues secret rulings.

3. To increase transparency by, among other things, directing the Department of Justice to "make public the legal rationale for the government's collection activities under Section 215 of the Patriot Act".

(The administration released a white paper and a NSA memo to detail the rationale of bulk collection of phone data.)

4. To form "a high level group of outside experts to review our entire intelligence and communications technologies... they will provide an interim report in 60 days and a final report by the end of this year".


On Edward Snowden:
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Chuck Todd of MSNBC:
... Given that you just announced a whole bunch of reforms based on essentially the leaks that Edward Snowden made on all of these surveillance programs, does that change -- is your mindset changed about him? Is he now more a whistle-blower than he is a hacker, as you called him at one point, or somebody that shouldn't be filed charges? And should he be provided more protection? Is he a patriot? You just used those words...

President Obama:
I don't think Mr. Snowden was a patriot. As I said in my opening remarks, I called for a thorough review of our surveillance operations before Mr. Snowden made these leaks. My preference -- and I think the American people's preference -- would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws; a thoughtful, fact-based debate that would then lead us to a better place, because I never made claims that all the surveillance technologies that have developed since the time some of these laws had been put in place somehow didn't require, potentially, some additional reforms. That's exactly what I called for.

So the fact is, is that Mr. Snowden's been charged with three felonies. If in fact he believes that what he did was right, then, like every American citizen, he can come here, appear before the court with a lawyer and make his case.

If the concern was that somehow this was the only way to get this information out to the public, I signed an executive order well before Mr. Snowden leaked this information that provided whistle-blower protection to the intelligence community for the first time.

So there were other avenues available for somebody's whose conscience was stirred and thought that they needed to question government actions. But having said that, once the leaks have happened, what we've seen is information come out in drips and in drabs, sometimes coming out sideways. Once the information is out, the administration comes in, tries to correct the record. But by that time, it's too late or we've moved on.

And a general impression has, I think, taken hold, not only among the American public but also around the world, that somehow we're out there willy-nilly just sucking in information on everybody and doing what we please with it. Now, that's not the case. Our laws specifically prohibit us from surveilling U.S. persons without a warrant. And there are whole range of safeguards that have been put in place to make sure that that basic principle is abided by.

But -- but what is clear is that, whether because of the instinctive bias of the intelligence community to keep everything very close and probably what's a fair criticism is my assumption that if we had checks and balances from the courts and Congress, that that traditional system of checks and balances would be enough to give people assurance that these programs were run properly. You know, that assumption I think proved to be undermined by what happened after the leaks.

I think people have questions about this program.

And so -- so as a consequence, I think it is important for us to go ahead and answer these questions -- what I'm going to be pushing the IC to do is rather than have a trunk come out here and a leg come out there and a tail come out there, let's just put the whole elephant out there so people know exactly what they're looking at, let's examine what is working, what's not, are there additional protections that can be put in place and let's move forward.

And there's no doubt that Mr. Snowden's leaks triggered a much more rapid and passionate response than would have been the case if I had simply appointed this review board to go through -- and I'd sat down with Congress and we had worked this thing through -- it would have been less exciting and it would not have generated as much press -- I actually think we would have gotten to the same place, and we would have done so without putting at risk our national security and some very vital ways that we are able to get intelligence that we need to secure the country.


No follow-up questions were asked by the press. But how would it be possible to have "a lawful, orderly examination of these laws" and "a thoughtful, fact-based debate" if the laws (or actually the court orders authorizing the surveillance) were not made public?


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None of this means a dang thing. I also can't stand these folks just lying to our faces saying they don't collect data or aren't listening or spying on the American people. Every single time a politician says anything like that on tv then they are lying to your face.

No, he'll create these fake laws and fake oversight to create the image of protection of your constitutional rights. They'll of course bypass everything anyway by just making this information and collection efforts accessible to a more reasonable amount of people rather than the X amount f contractors who can access now and put it under a new secret operational name.

Oh, and anything and everything being done is solely for the purpose of the never ending War on Terrorism. Be Vigilant. See something, say something and all the other hocus pocusness.

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Obama and speeches really do not mix well. It's embarrassing.

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You must hate every speech ever, because Obama is one of the best to have ever done it.

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Obama gives great speeches but by now we we know is just empty rhetoric and he is the Talker in Chief.

Seriously compared to Clinton and Reagan he is always out just talking and talking.
I like them as President, they talked and they did stuff.

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lol ok

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Hmmm, I'm actually very pleased to see him address these issues head on. I think it is a positive step forward for civil liberties, but people should rightfully be skeptical.

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Its called 'Hey I know your angry so I am just going to give a speech and appease people with my misleading oratory'

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Mannyisthebest wrote:
Its called 'Hey I know your angry so I am just going to give a speech and appease people with my misleading oratory'

That's an awful name, Mannyisthegun.

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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Hmmm, I'm actually very pleased to see him address these issues head on. I think it is a positive step forward for civil liberties, but people should rightfully be skeptical.

After the story in the WaPo last night, why would you think it is a positive step forward?


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Chippy wrote:
You must hate every speech ever, because Obama is one of the best to have ever done it.

I remember many of them. Lots of memorable lines and moments. In fact, just ask someone how great they are immediately thereafter and they will confirm the greatness on the spot. Don't bother asking a week later.


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Obama speaks well but so have many Presidents like JFK and Reagan.

Personally I care more about Reagan and Clinton as it sounded much more from the person then just reading lines like a robot.

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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Hmmm, I'm actually very pleased to see him address these issues head on. I think it is a positive step forward for civil liberties, but people should rightfully be skeptical.

After the story in the WaPo last night, why would you think it is a positive step forward?

It's an acknowledgment, which is more than anything we've had before.

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Caius wrote:
Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Hmmm, I'm actually very pleased to see him address these issues head on. I think it is a positive step forward for civil liberties, but people should rightfully be skeptical.

After the story in the WaPo last night, why would you think it is a positive step forward?

It's an acknowledgment, which is more than anything we've had before.

Hardly. Here is the story I was referring to [in part] http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-statements-to-the-post/2013/08/15/f40dd2c4-05d6-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html

From the report:

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The Obama administration referred all questions for this article to John DeLong, the NSA’s director of compliance, who answered questions freely in a 90-minute interview. DeLong and members of the NSA communications staff said he could be quoted “by name and title” on some of his answers after an unspecified internal review. The Post said it would not permit the editing of quotes. Two days later, White House and NSA spokesmen said that none of DeLong’s comments could be quoted on the record and sent instead a prepared statement in his name. The Post declines to accept the substitute language as quotations from DeLong. The statement is below.


That is real progress.


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