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| Author: | Groucho [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:18 pm ] |
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The US Supreme Court today debated whether it violates the Constitution to have the Ten Commandments posted in courtrooms. I assume everyone knows my opinion on this. What's yours? |
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| Author: | rusty [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:19 pm ] |
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I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? |
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| Author: | Box [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:21 pm ] |
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No, they shouldn't. Keep religion and anything related to it the hell away from state institutions. Out, out, out, out, out! |
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| Author: | A. G. [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:21 pm ] |
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It would be only fair to have the Bill of Rights posted in churches to return the favor. |
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| Author: | torrino [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:21 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? No. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:22 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? No. Where did you get that idea? Laws existed long before the 10 Commandments, other nonChristain cultures have laws, and the US was specifically founded to not supoprt any one religion. |
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| Author: | A. G. [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:23 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? You can tell it's not or else half the constitution would deal with oxen. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:26 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? Heh. *scratches head* (and NO.) |
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| Author: | rusty [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:26 pm ] |
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Whatever. I just thought I remember hearing that somewhere. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:29 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: Whatever. I just thought I remember hearing that somewhere. Oh, you definitely have. It's a traditional argument certain Christians use when they want to post their religious views in public places. But just because they say it doesn't make it true. :wink: |
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| Author: | Dr. Lecter [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:34 pm ] |
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Well, just judging by the logic, it probably should since don't you swear on the Bible in the court anyway, hehe? |
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| Author: | bABA [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:36 pm ] |
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Are they already in the court rooms? |
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| Author: | Mister Ecks [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:36 pm ] |
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*looks in... sees the makings of a religious debate... walks out* |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:39 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I say yes. Aren't the ten commandments the basis of law? Not only are they not the basis of law, they're not even remotely the basis of American law. And since that seems to be the central tenent of the Taliban, er, I mean conservative position on this, that placing the ten commandments is NOT about endorsement of religion (yeah, right) but rather a nod to our legal history, then the case is basically open and shut. The commandments are not the basis of law and are therefore not a historical tribute to the creation of our legal system. Of the 10 comandments, only TWO of them have any actual parallel in the American legal system: Theft and Murder. Three if you count bearing false witness, which is only illegal in certain contexts. In fact, the first commandment about worshipping other gods is actually countermanded by our own first amendment. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:41 pm ] |
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, just judging by the logic, it probably should since don't you swear on the Bible in the court anyway, hehe? Actually I've never seen in done, but I am sure it is in certain southern states. |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:41 pm ] |
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Mike Ventrella wrote: It's a traditional argument certain Christians use when they want to post their religious views in public places. But just because they say it doesn't make it true. :wink: Ironically, they are lying to defend what they consider morality. Rusty, knowing that is NOT the basis for our legal system, does your position on displaying them change? |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:43 pm ] |
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Mr. X wrote: *looks in... sees the makings of a religious debate... walks out* According to the Taliban, er, I mean conservatives, it's not a religious debate at all. It's about paying tribute to the Commandments as the historical basis of our legal system. Of course, it isn't true, but that's never stopped them before. |
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| Author: | bABA [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:46 pm ] |
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bABA wrote: Are they already in the court rooms? What he said: |
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| Author: | dolcevita [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:47 pm ] |
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Nope. I think its about time this was actually made into an issue. Constitutional rights are supposed to transcend any one religious ideology. In fact, its supposed to extend each one them the rights to practice barring those practices don't infringe on other's rights not to. Long visious loop with a quick easy answer. No. |
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| Author: | rusty [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:48 pm ] |
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Beeblebrox wrote: Mike Ventrella wrote: It's a traditional argument certain Christians use when they want to post their religious views in public places. But just because they say it doesn't make it true. :wink: Ironically, they are lying to defend what they consider morality. Rusty, knowing that is NOT the basis for our legal system, does your position on displaying them change? I'm not too sure now. I'd rather see it go to a vote where the people can decide it or not. But moraly myself I'd like to see it on. |
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| Author: | Mister Ecks [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:51 pm ] |
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Beeblebrox wrote: Mr. X wrote: *looks in... sees the makings of a religious debate... walks out* According to the Taliban, er, I mean conservatives, it's not a religious debate at all. It's about paying tribute to the Commandments as the historical basis of our legal system. Of course, it isn't true, but that's never stopped them before. Your subliminal messages, err, truthful statements are noted and processed. They are laws that Christians abide by... well... some Christians. Not all, but I guess that doesn't make them true Christians? Dammit, no. No debate for X today. I've tried before, and I'll walk away... walk walk away. |
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| Author: | Dr. Lecter [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:52 pm ] |
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Mike Ventrella wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Well, just judging by the logic, it probably should since don't you swear on the Bible in the court anyway, hehe? Actually I've never seen in done, but I am sure it is in certain southern states. I guess most court movies take place in the south then 
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:53 pm ] |
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rusty wrote: I'm not too sure now. I'd rather see it go to a vote where the people can decide it or not. But moraly myself I'd like to see it on. What does displaying the 10 Commandments in a govt building have to do with morality and why does that justify imposing your religious beliefs on everyone else? Just curious. |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:58 pm ] |
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Mr. X wrote: Your subliminal messages, err, truthful statements are noted and processed. They are laws that Christians abide by... well... some Christians. Not all, but I guess that doesn't make them true Christians? Dammit, no. No debate for X today. I've tried before, and I'll walk away... walk walk away. How many Christians really abide by them? I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of Christians, for example, have at least one graven image or idol in their possession. And I can't think of church that doesn't have a giant cross on display somewhere in it. And yet the Taliban, er, I mean conservatives still feel the need to impose their own religious beliefs on everyone else, even while lying about the justifications and even when they themselves follow them only selectively. Of course, they also do that with the Constitution, so I guess none of this should come as any surprise. |
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| Author: | bABA [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:00 pm ] |
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bABA wrote: bABA wrote: Are they already in the court rooms? What he said: really ... what he said. |
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