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Author:  insomniacdude [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:02 am ]
Post subject:  The 'What were they thinking when that was nominated' thread
Why do many of you consider Jamie Foxx's performance in Collateral to be that of a supporting actor's calibre? Apparently his nomination in the KJ Movie awards wasn't by a slim margin....it was a defeaning majority. So I ask all of you, what exactly distinguishes a lead actor calibre performance from a supporting actor calibre performance?

Because in my book, Foxx's Collateral was by far and away a lead performance. But I'm willing to listen to others' opinions. Maybe I'm just looking at it all black and white.
Author:  BacktotheFuture [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:05 am ]
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I look at it as the story focuses around Cruise. So he's the main character with Foxx's character just playing a supporting role to the main guy.
Author:  torrino [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:05 am ]
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This is the better place to ask since xiayun and matatonio aren't responding in the other thread...

But, anyways. It's definitely a Lead role. If Cruise almost got the nom for Lead in Collateral, then what the fuck was Foxx? Super-Lead?
Author:  insomniacdude [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:12 am ]
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You know, I may have been better off just rewatching the Oscar nominations back in January.
Author:  DP07 [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:23 am ]
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What were they thinking in nominating anything but this exact set of nominations? :mad: :

Best Picture
House of Flying Daggers
Man on Fire
Collateral
Hotel Rwanda
Finding Neverland

Best Director
Tony Scott - Man on Fire
Michael Mann - Collateral
Alex Proyas - I, Robot
Yimou Zhang - House of Flying Daggers
David Mamet - Spartan

Best Actor
Takeshi Kaneshiro - House of Flying Daggers
Jamie Foxx - Ray
Johnny Depp - Finding Neverland
Denzel Washington - Man on Fire
Don Cheadle - Hotel Rwanda

Best Actress
Ziyi Zhang - House of Flying Daggers
Rose Byrne - Wicker Park
Uma Thurman - Kill Bill 2
Kate Winslet - Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Reese Witherspoon - Vanity Fair

Best Supporting Actor
Jamie Foxx - Collateral
Eric Bana - Troy
Tony Leung Chiu Wai - Hero
Alan Tudyk - I, Robot
David Carradine - Kill Bill 2

Best Supporting Actress
Kristen Bell - Spartan
Cate Blanchett - The Aviator
Sophie Okonedo - Hotel Rwanda
Dakota Fanning - Man on Fire
Kate Winslet - Finding Neverland

Best Original Screenplay
House of Flying Daggers
Collateral
Spartan
Hotel Rwanda
Hero

Best Adapted Screenplay
Man on Fire
Wicker Park
The Bourne Supremacy
Finding Neverland
I, Robot

Best Ensemble
Eurotrip
Harry Potter 3
Troy
Shrek 2
The Incredibles

Best Cinematography
House of Flying Daggers
Hero
I, Robot
Troy
Man on Fire

Best Editing
I, Robot
The Bourne Supremacy
Man on Fire
Collateral
House of Flying Daggers

Best Costume Design
House of Flying Daggers
Hero
Finding Neverland
Troy
I, Robot

Best Score
I, Robot
King Arthur
Man on Fire
Hotel Rwanda
House of Flying Daggers

Best Sound
House of Flying Daggers
Man on Fire
I, Robot
The Bourne Supremacy
Collateral

Best Visual Effect
I, Robot
Spiderman 2
House of Flying Daggers
The Day After Tomorrow
Van Helsing

Best Foreign Language Film
House of Flying Daggers
Hero

Best Animated Feature
The Incredibles
Shrek 2
Shark Tale (well, I've only seen these three)

Best Comedy
Harold and Kumar go to White Castle
Starsky and Hutch
Eurotrip

Best Horror
The Grudge
Van Helsing
Resident Evil 2

Best Sequel/Remake
Man on Fire
The Bourne Supremacy
Wicker Park

Best Overlooked Film
Wicker Park
Spartan
Harold and Kumar go to White Castle
Vanity Fair
Eurotrip

Entertainer of the Year
Jerry Bruckheimer
Alex Proyas
Tony Scott
Yimou Zhang
Jamie Foxx

Totals:
House of Flying Daggers - 12
Man on Fire - 10
I, Robot - 9
Collateral - 6
Finding Neverland - 5
Hotel Rwanda - 5
Hero - 5
The Bourne Supremacy - 4
Wicker Park - 4
Spartan - 4
Troy - 4
Eurotrip - 3
Kill Bill Vol. 2 - 2
Shrek 2 - 2
The Incredibles - 2
Harold and Kumar go to White Castle - 2
Vanity Fair - 2
Van Helsing - 2
The Aviator - 1
Ray - 1
Harry Potter 3 - 1
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - 1
Starsky and Hutch - 1
King Arthur - 1
Resident Evil 2 - 1
Spiderman 2 - 1
The Grudge - 1
Shark Tale - 1
The Day After Tomorrow - 1
Author:  Goldie [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The 'What were they thinking when that was nominated' th
insomniacdude wrote:
Why do many of you consider Jamie Foxx's performance in Collateral to be that of a supporting actor's calibre? Apparently his nomination in the KJ Movie awards wasn't by a slim margin....it was a defeaning majority. So I ask all of you, what exactly distinguishes a lead actor calibre performance from a supporting actor calibre performance?

Because in my book, Foxx's Collateral was by far and away a lead performance. But I'm willing to listen to others' opinions. Maybe I'm just looking at it all black and white.


And the same should be said of Natalie Portman in both Closer and Garden State.
Author:  insomniacdude [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:29 am ]
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lol

Seriously, the only two things about which I'm all out upset is the Jamie Foxx scandal, and the fact Incredibles didn't manage a Best Pic (and even then, that's only a disappointment, far from being upset). Hell, none of the movies in my top five made it into the final Best Pic nominations, do you see me complaining about them?

That Foxx thing is bullshit. It just helps prove to me that all I'll be doing if I go to these awards is watching the Oscars.
Author:  xiayun [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:29 am ]
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Putting all Foxx's supporting votes into Best Actor isn't practical since we don't know how people have voted. I bet Foxx didn't get more votes because people are leaving him off from the ballot all together since they, myself included, consider him the LEAD and couldn't find a place in Best Actor category.

Disqualifying Foxx from supporting all together is an option, but that will just mean Highmore will get nominated, which wouldn't be much of a surprise either, and he is nominated in the breakthrough category. It's not as if a deserving small role got snubbed because of it. I'm not happy that Foxx got nominated over Highmore, but in the end, I decided to leave the votes as they are.
Author:  torrino [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:34 am ]
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xiayun, we still decided on something in the other thread. We decided he was a lead and that he could be nominated for lead.

Why don't we just nominate Natalie Portman 4 times? Hell, how about 8 times. Some people might think she's a man...

I don't see the objection to a revote. I mean, I'd be glad to count since I'm the one who's still belittling you about it. I'm sure sommie and Zingaling would count too...
Author:  bABA [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:36 am ]
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torrino wrote:
xiayun, we still decided on something in the other thread. We decided he was a lead and that he could be nominated for lead.

Why don't we just nominate Natalie Portman 4 times? Hell, how about 8 times. Some people might think she's a man...

I don't see the objection to a revote. I mean, I'd be glad to count since I'm the one who's still belittling you about it. I'm sure sommie and Zingaling would count too...


You mistaking Portman for Garner.
Author:  xiayun [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:38 am ]
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torrino wrote:
xiayun, we still decided on something in the other thread. We decided he was a lead and that he could be nominated for lead.

Why don't we just nominate Natalie Portman 4 times? Hell, how about 8 times. Some people might think she's a man...

I don't see the objection to a revote. I mean, I'd be glad to count since I'm the one who's still belittling you about it. I'm sure sommie and Zingaling would count too...


I explained a little on the other thread, Ross.
Author:  kypade [ Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:03 am ]
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BacktotheFuture wrote:
I look at it as the story focuses around Cruise. So he's the main character with Foxx's character just playing a supporting role to the main guy.
there ya go.

to me, it doesn't matter how often an actor shows up...what matters is how he's used. an actor could be in every scene of the film, have a speaking role in every scene in the film, go through changes, be billed first, blah blah blah, and not be lead. if the plot isnt being furthered by his actions, but rather his actions are supporting others, he's supporting. Collateral is NOT about a cab driver...it's about an assassin who happens to hijack a cab for the night. He could have picked any cab, any driver, he could have kicked him out and taken the cab, he couldve shot him...it wouldnt have mattered in the grand scheme of things, because Cruise is lead...only what he does (drive around killing people) matters. at least in my opinion. but then again, l wasnt very impressed with him period, so he got no nom from me...:oops:
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