I never mentioned you and never lied. I took your statement, saw what you were basically saying, and wrote a response for my blog. The comment that people should not change their sex follows logically from what you were saying, that if they do so they won't have a normal life.
How else could you interpret it? "If they do this, they will be discriminated against, therefore they probably shouldn't do this." Isn't that your thesis?
It was just a statement on society. Your interpretation was simply wrong, and as I said already, you were so desperately trying to find that angle from someone so you could unleash your heroic stance, instead of actually reading people's views. You saw negativity and instantly thought the worst. My personal views of him being a vile piece of crap are not the same as saying people shouldn't do whatever makes them happy. People can do whatever they like. Just the same as I can have what ever opinion I like.
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When you call someone else a vile piece of crap, you are exercising your rights and how dare I criticize you for it.
When I call you a vile piece of crap, I am being outrageous, I am a liar, and being completely unreasonable.
Got it.
Well, YOU are the one trying to present a holier-than-holy view on people's freedoms and rights. You're the one that has this liberal, anything-goes attitude. So yes, it is hypocritical of you to respect someone's decision to change sex because it makes them happy but not respect someone's opinion of that sex change if it makes them happy too.
And you did blatantly lie in your blog post. Not that it matters. But you did. It's ok, I guess, because you had an agenda and you followed through. It just shows a weakness in your character, that's all.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:20 pm
zwackerm
Hold the door!
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Re: Bruce Jenner
Not trying to be transphobic or whatever, but why are people like Caitlin not okay with being just a feminine guy, or a masculine female? Does the anatomy really make any difference? They still have the same brain.
Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:23 pm
Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68381
Re: Bruce Jenner
zwackerm wrote:
They still have the same brain.
Because that brain isn't wired correctly.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:25 pm
FILMO
The Original
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
Re: Bruce Jenner
OMG STEWIE HAS THE VIEW OR REALLY A TIME MACHINE Family guy episode from 2009
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:04 am
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Bruce Jenner
zwackerm wrote:
Not trying to be transphobic or whatever, but why are people like Caitlin not okay with being just a feminine guy, or a masculine female? Does the anatomy really make any difference? They still have the same brain.
Because people feel trapped and out of sorts in their own body. I imagine you (zwackerm) feel wholly, unequivocally male. Now imagine you had the same feelings but were born as a woman. Would you not take the opportunity, if available, to become who you feel you really are?
Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:28 am
Groucho
Extraordinary
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
Re: Bruce Jenner
Algren wrote:
Well, YOU are the one trying to present a holier-than-holy view on people's freedoms and rights. You're the one that has this liberal, anything-goes attitude. So yes, it is hypocritical of you to respect someone's decision to change sex because it makes them happy but not respect someone's opinion of that sex change if it makes them happy too.
And you don't see the difference? Seriously?
You have the RIGHT to criticize someone else who does something you don't like even when it doesn't affect you personally. It doesn't make you a nice person, though. And I would bet that if someone criticized you for something you do that they don't like (such as your not-at-all-homosexual love for Sylvester Stallone) you would be screaming that they were not respecting you. And you'd be right.
So don't try to have it both ways. That's all I'm saying. Go ahead and criticize Jenner all you want -- you have that right. Don't go thinking you should be free from criticism yourself when you do that.
Algren wrote:
And you did blatantly lie in your blog post.
And I disagree with you completely, because I summarized what you were saying. If your point was something different, you have yet to explain to me what it is.
Please understand that I do not live my life by thinking "What would Algren do in this situation?" If I did, I know that the right response would be to do the opposite. Your opinion of me matters just about as much to me as your opinion about anything else.
LMAO. I am happy if people criticise me because I understand totally that without it, I would not be able to criticise others. I'm not and never have tried to have it both ways. And respect? lol. This man-made notion that you all live behind, is a bunch of bullshit. It means nothing. But it creates a lot of shit in the world.
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:57 am
Algren
now we know
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 68381
Re: Bruce Jenner
You cannot understand that saying I said something that I didn't say is a lie? Go read some more books, dude. Perhaps a dictionary this time. Perhaps check out 'L'.
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:58 am
Groucho
Extraordinary
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm Posts: 12096 Location: Stroudsburg, PA
Re: Bruce Jenner
Algren wrote:
You cannot understand that saying I said something that I didn't say is a lie? Go read some more books, dude. Perhaps a dictionary this time. Perhaps check out 'L'.
I note that you have yet to explain how your point was in any way different than how I stated it.
I already did. I'm not going to waste anymore time on your lying ass.
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:02 am
Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
Re: Bruce Jenner
Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Not trying to be transphobic or whatever, but why are people like Caitlin not okay with being just a feminine guy, or a masculine female? Does the anatomy really make any difference? They still have the same brain.
Because people feel trapped and out of sorts in their own body. I imagine you (zwackerm) feel wholly, unequivocally male. Now imagine you had the same feelings but were born as a woman. Would you not take the opportunity, if available, to become who you feel you really are?
I personally feel I am LeBron and am tall and can dunk and stuff. You better not point out otherwise.
shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:06 pm
Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
Re: Bruce Jenner
Chippy wrote:
OK? Then go become Lebron and dunk and stuff.
Fucking heightest! You are vile!
Who are you to tell me what I feel on the inside. You wouldn't tell Caitlyn to have a baby if Caitlyn was younger.
Utterly disgusting attitude.
Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:44 pm
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Bruce Jenner
Caius wrote:
Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Not trying to be transphobic or whatever, but why are people like Caitlin not okay with being just a feminine guy, or a masculine female? Does the anatomy really make any difference? They still have the same brain.
Because people feel trapped and out of sorts in their own body. I imagine you (zwackerm) feel wholly, unequivocally male. Now imagine you had the same feelings but were born as a woman. Would you not take the opportunity, if available, to become who you feel you really are?
I personally feel I am LeBron and am tall and can dunk and stuff. You better not point out otherwise.
Then go get leg implants or something. lol. It's wrong and not anyone's place to judge someone for feeling an anatomical identity crisis.
shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element
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chippy is correct
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:58 pm
Libs
Sbil
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 pm Posts: 48678 Location: Arlington, VA
Re: Bruce Jenner
If you can't see the difference between feeling like you were born as the complete wrong gender and feeling like you're...LeBron James, there's no more to say.
Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:01 pm
Magic Mike
Wallflower
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:53 am Posts: 35249 Location: Minnesota
Re: Bruce Jenner
Libs wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Not trying to be transphobic or whatever, but why are people like Caitlin not okay with being just a feminine guy, or a masculine female? Does the anatomy really make any difference? They still have the same brain.
Because people feel trapped and out of sorts in their own body. I imagine you (zwackerm) feel wholly, unequivocally male. Now imagine you had the same feelings but were born as a woman. Would you not take the opportunity, if available, to become who you feel you really are?
Very well said!
Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:07 pm
Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
Re: Bruce Jenner
Libs wrote:
If you can't see the difference between feeling like you were born as the complete wrong gender and feeling like you're...LeBron James, there's no more to say.
Good argument.
Apologies for believing I am tall not being as important as believing I am a different gender.
The chilling effect with your intolerance is unbearable. You value one physical difference over another for no apparent reason.
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