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Google doesn't read the way we do, it's not going to ignore something written in spoiler tags.


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Except that in this case it was literally said that he looks like he's homosexual. Regardless of the term that's used, there's an innate negativity to both of them, since it's directly implied that someone's not living up to some kind of masculinity norm or heterosexual standard because of it.

Perhaps it's more of a personal peeve of mine though, because I got the same thing when I was a teenager (especially early teens) and it sucks to be called out for something when you're still coming to terms with it yourself. I imagine it's not a lot more fun when you're not actually gay. I still hate it when someone makes a remark that suggests I'm not actually a man because I'm gay, like one of my coworkers who's literally acted as if I somehow see things through a female's perspective because I'm gay, which is just stupid.

Sorry for going on a bit of a tangent, but this sort of thing just sets me off a bit. >.>

Besides, calling out a teenager for looking "feminine" is just plain stupid in general, because a lot of the time the things that make for a more masculine look are often underdeveloped at that age.


So when you were a teenager people called you out on looking gay and you, in fact, were gay? Though I totally get your point, this example kind of undermines it.

Let me put it this way: most of the gay people I know, do not look what most would describe as "gay". However, the disproportionate majority of the people I know who look this way, are, indeed, gay. Something I never understood because being gay obviously doesn't make you look one way or another.

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zwackerm wrote:
Can you put my full name in spoiler tags? I would not like to be googled here.




ok

but uhmmm........ are we not cool enough? It sounds like you dont want your people to know that you hang around with us. I uhmmm.... not everyone here can take that. Some here will go ballistic when they read that. Just that you know.

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
So when you were a teenager people called you out on looking gay and you, in fact, were gay? Though I totally get your point, this example kind of undermines it.


It wasn't so much being called out on it as it was the negativity attached to it. It's one thing to be called something, it's another thing to feel like what you're being called is a bad thing ESPECIALLY if that's what you are. It left me very much uncomfortable with my sexuality for well over a decade, and I feel it probably plays a big part in why I'm sort of... detached from it. Like, I don't really see it as a defining characteristic of myself, nor do I care much about gay culture or lifestyle.

And what made me look gay? Apparently the fact that I wore an earring, which is one decision I made when I was younger that I most certainly regretted. It may have been the ear it was in, idek, it's been over 20 years. 20 years where I've had people who suspected it, but where most people just don't.

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Let me put it this way: most of the gay people I know, do not look what most would describe as "gay". However, the disproportionate majority of the people I know who look this way, are, indeed, gay. Something I never understood because being gay obviously doesn't make you look one way or another.


I don't think I look particularly gay, but I get what you mean. A lot of the time it's likely not just someone's appearance though, with a large contribution coming from style, mannerisms and such.


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the lesser evil wrote:
Except that in this case it was literally said that he looks like he's homosexual. Regardless of the term that's used, there's an innate negativity to both of them, since it's directly implied that someone's not living up to some kind of masculinity norm or heterosexual standard because of it.


Why is there a negativity? I don't think it's a bad thing if zwacks is gay. KJ has a long list of beloved gay members

With that said, zwacks deserves the right to say what sexuality he is, and he believes he's straight so I can respect that

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Let me put it this way: most of the gay people I know, do not look what most would describe as "gay". However, the disproportionate majority of the people I know who look this way, are, indeed, gay. Something I never understood because being gay obviously doesn't make you look one way or another.


Yes, it's like the gay lisp. Not all gay guys have it, but if you have it, you are almost certain to be gay.


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If you grew up in fundie Evangelical culture (like I did), then that's all the reason in the world to hide your sexuality.

My family doesn't give a shit what I do. My brother already left the faith, if I did I'm sure they wouldn't be too surprised.


So you don't consider homosexuality to be at all in conflict with your faith?

That's good!


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zwackerm wrote:
Jiffy wrote:
If you grew up in fundie Evangelical culture (like I did), then that's all the reason in the world to hide your sexuality.

My family doesn't give a shit what I do. My brother already left the faith, if I did I'm sure they wouldn't be too surprised.


So you don't consider homosexuality to be at all in conflict with your faith?

That's good!


I don't have a lisp.

Homosexual attraction is not in conflict with my faith. Homosexual activity is. I obviously cannot say as I have yet to experience a desire to fuck a guy what I would actually do in that situation.

And there are some Christians that believe homosexuality is okay as long as its monogamous, due to the context of rape that the infamous Leviticus verse is used in.


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Many of those same religions also used to preach that interracial marriage was a sin. And that women should be property.

Did the Bible change? No. People stopped believing stupid things.

Someday they'll stop believing stupid things about gays and lesbians, too.

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Jiffy wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Let me put it this way: most of the gay people I know, do not look what most would describe as "gay". However, the disproportionate majority of the people I know who look this way, are, indeed, gay. Something I never understood because being gay obviously doesn't make you look one way or another.


Yes, it's like the gay lisp. Not all gay guys have it, but if you have it, you are almost certain to be gay.


Is there a distinction between a regular lisp and a gay lisp?


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