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makeshift_wings wrote:

I'm assuming you know how hard it is to move, Krem. You've got to come up with first and last (depending on rent could be at least $1,900), a deposit, and moving fees. It's cheaper to lease an expensive car than move. Not to mention places like California have waiting lists as fat as your wallet for nice places to live.

I'm skeptical about that.

Let's say an Escalade costs $400 to lease per month (probably more, I'm not sure). What's stopping you from leasing a Civic for $200/mo. and save up $2000 over the course of 10 months and move? I just can't see any parent wanting their children to grow up in a ghetto or slums, while having the means to live elsewhere.


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Krem wrote:
makeshift_wings wrote:

I'm assuming you know how hard it is to move, Krem. You've got to come up with first and last (depending on rent could be at least $1,900), a deposit, and moving fees. It's cheaper to lease an expensive car than move. Not to mention places like California have waiting lists as fat as your wallet for nice places to live.

I'm skeptical about that.

Let's say an Escalade costs $400 to lease per month (probably more, I'm not sure). What's stopping you from leasing a Civic for $200/mo. and save up $2000 over the course of 10 months and move? I just can't see any parent wanting their children to grow up in a ghetto or slums, while having the means to live elsewhere.




I dont think everyone wants to have their children grow up in the ghetto or the slums, sometimes it just happens. Secondly not every black person in the ghetto have nice cars. Alot of them rely on public transportation, which we all know is shitty and not reliable.

Once again, what about the children in these situations, they are the ones who suffer most. Denying a child help, when it is in no way their fault, I think is deplorable.

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Krem wrote:
makeshift_wings wrote:

I'm assuming you know how hard it is to move, Krem. You've got to come up with first and last (depending on rent could be at least $1,900), a deposit, and moving fees. It's cheaper to lease an expensive car than move. Not to mention places like California have waiting lists as fat as your wallet for nice places to live.

I'm skeptical about that.

Let's say an Escalade costs $400 to lease per month (probably more, I'm not sure). What's stopping you from leasing a Civic for $200/mo. and save up $2000 over the course of 10 months and move? I just can't see any parent wanting their children to grow up in a ghetto or slums, while having the means to live elsewhere.




I dont think everyone wants to have their children grow up in the ghetto or the slums, sometimes it just happens. Secondly not every black person in the ghetto have nice cars. Alot of them rely on public transportation, which we all know is shitty and not reliable.

You were saying before that the people who have that many children usually have the means to afford them, and makeshift used people driving in Escalades as an example. And i'm saying that if you can afford an Escalade, you can afford not living in a ghetto.
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Once again, what about the children in these situations, they are the ones who suffer most. Denying a child help, when it is in no way their fault, I think is deplorable.

Again, what I'm talking about is removing an incentive to have a lot of children in the FUTURE; I'm not talking about killing off children that are already born, for god's sake.

You are more than welcome to help them with your own money; I am against forcing someone to help, though.


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Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:
Krem wrote:
makeshift_wings wrote:

I'm assuming you know how hard it is to move, Krem. You've got to come up with first and last (depending on rent could be at least $1,900), a deposit, and moving fees. It's cheaper to lease an expensive car than move. Not to mention places like California have waiting lists as fat as your wallet for nice places to live.

I'm skeptical about that.

Let's say an Escalade costs $400 to lease per month (probably more, I'm not sure). What's stopping you from leasing a Civic for $200/mo. and save up $2000 over the course of 10 months and move? I just can't see any parent wanting their children to grow up in a ghetto or slums, while having the means to live elsewhere.




I dont think everyone wants to have their children grow up in the ghetto or the slums, sometimes it just happens. Secondly not every black person in the ghetto have nice cars. Alot of them rely on public transportation, which we all know is shitty and not reliable.

You were saying before that the people who have that many children usually have the means to afford them, and makeshift used people driving in Escalades as an example. And i'm saying that if you can afford an Escalade, you can afford not living in a ghetto.
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Once again, what about the children in these situations, they are the ones who suffer most. Denying a child help, when it is in no way their fault, I think is deplorable.

Again, what I'm talking about is removing an incentive to have a lot of children in the FUTURE; I'm not talking about killing off children that are already born, for god's sake.

You are more than welcome to help them with your own money; I am against forcing someone to help, though.



You really think children are an incentive?? C'mon, if thats the case then WHY DO THESE FAMILIES CONTINUE TO BE POVERTY STRICKEN?!?! You cannot be that niave to buy into this republican progoganda.

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You really think children are an incentive?? C'mon, if thats the case then WHY DO THESE FAMILIES CONTINUE TO BE POVERTY STRICKEN?!?! You cannot be that niave to buy into this republican progoganda.

Yes, I really do think that for some people having more children is an incentive to not try and improve their life.

The same goes for 0% tax bracket, Welfare, etc.

Some people choose the path of least resistance; in this case it means preferring to leech off of the government.


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Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:
You really think children are an incentive?? C'mon, if thats the case then WHY DO THESE FAMILIES CONTINUE TO BE POVERTY STRICKEN?!?! You cannot be that niave to buy into this republican progoganda.

Yes, I really do think that for some people having more children is an incentive to not try and improve their life.

The same goes for 0% tax bracket, Welfare, etc.

Some people choose the path of least resistance; in this case it means preferring to leech off of the government.


:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

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:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

Why would someone who lives in poverty WANT to have 4 children?


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Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:

:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

Why would someone who lives in poverty WANT to have 4 children?


Sometimes it happens, and other times, as old fashioned and rediculous as it is, they are against all kinds of birth control.

Shit happens in life that isnt always planned

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lovemerox wrote:
Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:

:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

Why would someone who lives in poverty WANT to have 4 children?


Sometimes it happens, and other times, as old fashioned and rediculous as it is, they are against all kinds of birth control.

Shit happens in life that isnt always planned

One kid you can't afford is a sign of not planning shit.

4 kids you can't afford is a sign of being irresponsible, at best, and downright immoral at worst.


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Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:
Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:

:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

Why would someone who lives in poverty WANT to have 4 children?


Sometimes it happens, and other times, as old fashioned and rediculous as it is, they are against all kinds of birth control.

Shit happens in life that isnt always planned

One kid you can't afford is a sign of not planning shit.

4 kids you can't afford is a sign of being irresponsible, at best, and downright immoral at worst.


Immoral?

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lovemerox wrote:
Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:
Krem wrote:
lovemerox wrote:

:roll: Because living a life of poverty while at the same time being a single mother with 4 kids is the American dream...shit, thats the life isnt it! Thats exactly what they want! As long as they get that welfare check :?

Why would someone who lives in poverty WANT to have 4 children?


Sometimes it happens, and other times, as old fashioned and rediculous as it is, they are against all kinds of birth control.

Shit happens in life that isnt always planned

One kid you can't afford is a sign of not planning shit.

4 kids you can't afford is a sign of being irresponsible, at best, and downright immoral at worst.


Immoral?

If you can't afford those 4 kids, then you expect somebody else to pay for them.

That's immoral, in my view.


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