It's beyond my comprehension how the three branches of the federal government could cooperate in secrecy. Not a single voice of dissent within the system???
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:05 pm
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
That guy has MAJOR balls.
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Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:13 pm
Caius
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Magnus wrote:
This guy really screwed Booze Allen Hamilton. Won't be easy winning a lot of gov't contracts.
No doubt and only three months there to boot. Winning a competitive procurement is hard enough as-is.
Back on topic, assuming what he is saying is true, which I tend to think is the case, though he may only have viewed fragments of it, why is it that the NSA gives so much access to a contractor working with a company for three months? Do they not have a list of "key personnel," which is often a section in a Gov't contract, or was the requirement only for a level of classified access (secret, top secret, NATO secret, etc.) but with a specific person not mattering? Bradley Manning also had a ton of access and he was like a 23 year old private with possible mental illness.
In any event, glad he helped shed light on this. If programs like PRISM and the phone records sweep are indeed not discriminating in terms of specific persons being targeted, but rather glean data from all users to form patterns, why did this have to be secret?
Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:01 am
i.hope
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Magnus wrote:
This guy really screwed Booze Allen Hamilton. Won't be easy winning a lot of gov't contracts.
And thanks to him, counter-intelligence industry, on both private and government levels around the world, may be booming again. Booze Allen Hamilton can surely share the wealth.
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This guy really screwed Booze Allen Hamilton. Won't be easy winning a lot of gov't contracts.
And thanks to him, counter-intelligence industry, on both private and government levels around the world, may be booming again. Booze Allen Hamilton can surely share the wealth.
oh this helps all the other contractors A LOT. Places higher deal of importance on information security and IT risk. And it eliminates BAH from a lot of contracts.
But BAH specifically will be hit hard. Good thing I didn't take that job offer from them six months ago.
BAH stock price was down 2.6% today. The market reacted rather calmly to what seemed like a "crisis".
In the long term, trust in US tech companies by global webcitizens around the world will likely be tainted by this info surveillance crisis.
Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:58 pm
Caius
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Can't find the link now, but it looks liked Snowden and Glen Greenwald were in contact prior to Snowden working for BAH, by about a month.
The assessment of technical risk for any competitive contract it bids will be hugely against them for at least the next year across all DOD and 3-letter agency contracts it bids and even on sole-source contracts, it will get hammered down in profit. Its OPSEC program will face intense scrutiny and probably will be subject to audit and probably voluntary releases.
shut the fuck up zwackerm, you're out of your fucking element
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:53 am
i.hope
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Caius wrote:
In any event, glad he helped shed light on this. If programs like PRISM and the phone records sweep are indeed not discriminating in terms of specific persons being targeted, but rather glean data from all users to form patterns, why did this have to be secret?
Because they sort of knew that the massive capability of the secretive system and the ease with which so-called non-discriminating data pool could be abused by individuals with access would not pass the public's scrutiny?
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:53 am
i.hope
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Magnus wrote:
Stock isn't what matters. Future proposals will. If you think BAH is gonna have it easy pitching ther next govt contract you're a fool. It's hard to compete with this kind of stain. This isn't some minor hiccup
Stock price is often a precursor of what will happen to the underlying company. Maybe the damage has not been realized yet in BAH's case. Well I was just trying to make a connection.
Even so he took a big risk and really made people realize not to trust Government.
Well... I appreciate what he did, but did we really need him to help people realize that idea. No, but it was an important step in exposing how two faced the government has become since 2001. I am thankful he got this information out in the public though segmented pieces of it were previously out in the open. Hopefully he has more information to divulge to further illustrate the capabilities of the surveillance tools he had access too.
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Before the media and the govt labelled people who accused the government of doing such things as conspiracy theorists.
Now it is true.
What else is the US govt doing, I imagine they are likely torturing people as before, who would know.
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:46 pm
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Revealing himself like this was the smartest thing he could have done. This way, the attention on the world is on him and he probably won't just "disappear" and might actually get a fair trial even if the US gets him back.
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Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:33 pm
i.hope
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Re: NSA Whistleblower Speaks Up
Bloomberg just published a story about thousands of US firms working closely with the government, providing sensitive information (not including private communications of their customers) and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence.
Such relationship can give disincentives for firms who do not voluntarily cooperate with the government.
Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:43 am
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Re: Snowden vows to "reveal criminality"; US prepares charge
He's hiding in Hong Kong.
I don't even know what the hell this story is about. But if it pisses off the USA, then I'm sure he's a nice bloke. Hong Kongians seem to like him...more than Jackie Chan, at least.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:39 pm
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Re: Snowden vows to "reveal criminality"; US prepares charge
His surname is a Doves song.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:30 pm
i.hope
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Re: Snowden vows to "reveal criminality"; US prepares charge
David wrote:
His surname is a Doves song.
I vaguely remember the band. But "There Goes the Fear" was a song on my MP3 playlist.
Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:11 pm
i.hope
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Re: Snowden vows to "reveal criminality"; US prepares charge
Re: Snowden seeks Iceland asylum; US brings espionage charge
A little history about the Espionage Act:
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Six Americans previously have been charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 during President Barack Obama’s administration, twice as many as in the previous 90 years. All were accused of leaking secrets to journalists in violation of a provision of the law that prohibits disclosure of national defense information to anyone not authorized to receive it.
Before Obama took office, the Espionage Act, signed by President Woodrow Wilson, had been primarily employed against some of the most damaging double agents in the U.S. history. They include Aldrich Ames, a Central Intelligence Agency official convicted in 1994 of spying for Russia, and Robert Hanssen, a former FBI agent convicted in 2001 of similar offenses.
The case is U.S. v Snowden, 13-cr-265, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia (Alexandria).
If the U.S. government has asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant June 14, Hong Kong will have to comply under the bi-lateral extradition treaty agreement. It appeared Snowden was not detained or in police protection. Could it be because (1) HK police were not able to locate him, or (2) HK is still in negotiation with the US?
And today, Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post reported Chinese mobile phone companies and one of China's major internet backbone networks were targets of US hacking, according to information provided by Snowden. The leak, I believe, is a politically calculating move by Snowden. As with his previous claim about the US hacking internet backbone network and civilian computers in HK, it strengthens his case for the unlikelihood of receiving a fair trial in the US and at the same time rallies public opinion behind him.
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