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Trump pulled another move today to test the limits of his power.

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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?

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https://www.vox.com/2019/5/16/18626744/ ... states-roe

It will be challenged in court. Obviously.

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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?


The controlling precedent is Planned Parenthood v Casey which one could argue overruled Roe and instituted the "undue burden" test.

The rationale behind the law was to challenge Planned Parenthood v Casey. Some on the pro life side think it may go too far. Not because they disagree with the law, but that Roberts and Kavanaugh will re-enforce PP v Casey with that law being the one that goes up. Only Thomas is a certainty to strike down that case as he dissented from it at the onset.

Post Casey,the right has been more incrementalist in it's approach. For example, challenges to partial birth abortion

It'll be deeply hilarious when everyone praises Kavanaugh.


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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?


They're perfectly aware the law is unconstitutional. They're doing it so it will be appealed and can get to the Supreme Court, where they're sure they're going to win since the Republicans refused to put Obama's nominee on and they were able to get their lying frat boy on there.

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The law is only unconstitutional if you agree with Roe v. Wade. But as it stands, Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, so yes it will almost certainly be appealed.

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"The law is only unconstitutional is you agree with the law" is a thing you just said.

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"The law is only unconstitutional is you agree with the law" is a thing you just said.

Yeah I don’t agree with every law, but I follow them.

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Warren is, and has been, performing at a level not since since Obama in 2007/2008. No prisoners destruction. Seriously wondering if/when Sanders supporters will get in line behind her, at which point she may very well defeat Biden fair and square.

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They put Liz on Night 1 without Bernie and Biden. That’s a huge burn - though I think she could spin it into a positive.

Andrew Yang’s appearance on Bill Maher was really good. He actually outlined some specifics of his plans rather than pandering.


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:lol:

Lying, self-contradictory, politically correct and with no substance. This TV celebrity gets to be on TV because he (his family) has money and connections. He craves fame and the media entertain him and give him that.


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Biden is running on "I'm not going to change anything" Lol

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Biden is Hillary 3.0
Bernie wants terrorists and rapists to vote+his time has past after laying down like a dog in 2016. Anyone still supporting him should be embarrassed to have been backstabbed like that. I am and I Donated to his campaign!
Kamala is shrill and bossy
Bottedgedge...please

I really believe Warren will end up the nominee after getting the Bernie Bots unless Michelle somehow steps in. She's the only person who I think could be a problem and win just because of the Obama hype machine. I thought Oprah might have been that candidate but not anymore.

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Donald Trump said he ordered a strike on Iran, then called it off 10 minutes before the strike was to happen. He changed his mind because it would cause a disproportionate killing of 150 people, as told by a general.

Thank you Trump for bothering to ask at the last minute about the consequences of your own action. :)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-usa-trump-military/trump-says-he-halted-u-s-military-response-on-iran-because-was-not-proportionate-idUSKCN1TM1P8


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Bernie wants terrorists and rapists to vote+his time has past after laying down like a dog in 2016.


He believes voting right is an inalienable right if you are a part of a citizenship. Government is formed by citizens via voting. Its powers derive from the people. It's not hard to conceive voting as a right fundamental to a legitimate government.


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If you've served your prison sentence, your voting rights should be restored.

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Donald Trump said he ordered a strike on Iran, then called it off 10 minutes before the strike was to happen. He changed his mind because it would cause a disproportionate killing of 150 people, as told by a general.

Thank you Trump for bothering to ask at the last minute about the consequences of your own action. :)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-usa-trump-military/trump-says-he-halted-u-s-military-response-on-iran-because-was-not-proportionate-idUSKCN1TM1P8


The US unilaterally withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal. Months later, Trump accused Iran of violating the deal.

I am interested in how allies and adversaries of the US react to this. Do they see the US as credible? Do they become more non-cooperative towards the US because of this?


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If you've served your prison sentence, your voting rights should be restored.


An important step.


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Biden is Hillary 3.0
Bernie wants terrorists and rapists to vote+his time has past after laying down like a dog in 2016. Anyone still supporting him should be embarrassed to have been backstabbed like that. I am and I Donated to his campaign!
Kamala is shrill and bossy
Bottedgedge...please

I really believe Warren will end up the nominee after getting the Bernie Bots unless Michelle somehow steps in. She's the only person who I think could be a problem and win just because of the Obama hype machine. I thought Oprah might have been that candidate but not anymore.


Joe Biden doesn't have the sleazy scandalous side that Hillary very much had. He is not close to as polarizing as she was. That may highlight sexism in America but it's reality. People should not be disappointed should Biden win the nomination as I suspect he will defeat Trump substantially.

Bernie has been a mess, its surprising how many Dems seem bitter that he didn't do more to help Hillary in 2016, and perhaps most damaging, his base is seeing Warren deliver similar policies with much stronger messaging that won't alienate capitalists.

Kamala has been a mess but its predictable. She's a former Prosecutor, her demeanor is her biggest strength as well as weakness. She comes across neither as warm/likeable as Warren or as intelligent. It's early but IDK if she can be saved.

PB is not bad but he is a freaking mayor.

Anyone claiming someone other than Warren has been the best thus far is lying, it hasn't been close. I don't think I will be voting for her in the primary but this just is what it is, she has performed at an extremely high level.

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Biden just seems like the vanilla, mid-term candidate that always loses ala Mitt Romney, John Kerry, Bob Dole, etc... Lizzie is the best choice, but she’s got a lot of work to do.


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Honestly just split America up into two countries if Biden wins. He fucking sucks.

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I think it's unlikely Biden gets the nom, just a feeling.


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Biden is the least intriguing of almost every Dem candidate. I think it's going to either be Sanders or Warren. Sanders will get a more R votes than Warren, but I think Warren will get more D votes than Sanders (in a hypothetical general)

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I'm looking forward to Wed/Thur. I really want to see how Warren handles herself. Then Thursday should be fun. I want to see some fireworks against Biden and not a yawn inducing throw darts at Trump show. I'd like to see Warren or the whole panel get a question on the power of the tech companies and their influence in elections.

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Warren has had some good moments, but she doesn’t look good standing in the middle of these sure-losers.


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