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So instead, you just keep voting for them. And they implement republican policies.

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So instead, you just keep voting for them. And they implement republican policies.

They do implement a lot of good policies as well, I don’t agree with everything they do though.

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For someone that identifies as a conservative, zwackerm is quite open-minded and knows what is right and wrong. The same cannot be said for the likes of Chippy and Groucho, who are brainwashed, ignorant, self-righteous liberals that could never compliment someone that isn't a Democrat. Ironically, they are like crazy Christians who push their agenda with such force and anger and just hatefulness, as if it's the ONLY way to live. They do the liberal cause no favours whatsoever.


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So instead, you just keep voting for them. And they implement republican policies.

They do implement a lot of good policies as well, I don’t agree with everything they do though.


Which is one of their policies that's good for you?


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What is zwackerm open minded about?

I want a ban on all guns. But I'm open to just banning "assault" rifles and handguns. Other Republican policies? They're all batshit insane. Tell me some sane R policies, and I'll tell you if I'm willing to bend to them. Bet you can't find that many.

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I like republican ideals in theory. If people save money on taxes then they can reinvest in the economy and therefore let the free market decide what to do with our wealth rather than an intrusive government.

The problem is, the people who hid their money overseas to avoid the democrats tax rate aren’t gonna just bring it back. Why? Because the Pubs “fair” tax rate is still higher than 0. So we cut all these social/science programs for nothing.

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Mitch McConnell introduced a bill today that would raise the age limit for tobacco products to 21. We may not agree on much, but that is a great idea that I hope gets full support on both sides before the big tobacco lobbyists squash it.

This is the type of people > business policy that I wanted from the Pubs. He must have read our forum and felt the need to act. #WOKJSavesLives

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Yes, that's a good policy. Though I with countries as a whole would go the Hawaii route and steadily increase the age limit until it was essentially fully banned.

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Rough week for Bernie.

The "anyone in jail should be able to vote argument" will only appeal to a very, very small number of people, and it'll open himself up to criticisms/attacks from all fronts.

And finally, one of my biggest issues with him, the frequent name dropping of MLK (the marching with him line...) in response to questions about how he'd handle racial issues finally seems to be catching up to him, at long last. It was annoying that voters gave him a pass on this last time, so hopefully they'll continue to push for a real answer this round.

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Elizabeth Warren or bust.

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After Michael Cohen abandoned ship (or being forced to), Donald Trump hired a new personal fixer named William Barr. Will this personal fixer turn into Trump's personal prosecutor too?







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If most Americans communicate this sentiment in an understanding way with each other, Trump won't stand a chance.


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If Biden is the candidate you can confirm Trump 2020.

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It looks staged and unfunny.

The truth is name recognition goes a long way. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are probably the ones most people can recognize, followed by Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. But it is still a year from the primary season.


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Keyser Söze wrote:
If Biden is the candidate you can confirm Trump 2020.


I think even with Biden, if the Dems don't get too self-conscious and jinx it, they have a good shot.

But don't expect it to be a level-playing game. It will be an ugly race. Any candidate should treat the executive branch as an extension of a campaign with an authoritarian at the helm. Possibly there will be increasing foreign interference.


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That Kimmel video is trying way, way too hard. Those "Can You Name" segments generally try too hard, but this one is beyond staged and ridiculous.

Fact is, you don't want to be the frontrunner. It only helps with early fundraising. So anyone trying to establish Biden as an even stronger frontrunner than polls suggest are harming him instead. The frontrunner status just sets one up for 6+ months of extra attacks and scrutiny they wouldn't be exposed to otherwise. The last Democratic frontrunner to get the nomination was Gore, then you have to the 70s/80s to find another.

Once the field begins to thin towards the end of the year, and begins to solidify around January/February, Biden is going to struggle against the one or two candidates that cement themselves as alternatives to him. Not only will the 6 month+ attacks begin to take their toll (which will also provide ammo for the other dem candidates to use), but Biden basically running the general already is going to backfire with primary voters who want more from their candidate.

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The black vote may end up getting Biden the nomination, much like Hillary. Obama will pay dividends for him plus his personality is Bill Clinton-ish


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A few thoughts:

1. BY FAR most concerning issue to me is the growing obviousness that much of America is fucking retarded. Even educated and/or successful people. Not talking opinions, talking the insane reasoning and rationale people ar easing to justify their positions. Both sides full of self-righteous morons.
-Both need to remember to bring civility and decency to politics and to value HONESTY. Big reason Trump won is so many Dems and Repubs being so full of shit. Democrats need to remember its a big country and if a large amount of people in some areas are saying immigration is a problem, then maybe it in fact is?? Republicans need to realize "I feel this way" does not make something factually true... :blink:

2. Vital to remember that it took an insane perfect storm for Trump to win in 2016 (Hillary extremely polarizing, read horrible campaign) and despite strong economic figures, his widely disliked and has to be viewed as the most vulnerable incumbent in some time. His first term has gone the exact opposite of Obamas, mind you O inherited a disaster while Trump took over something growing rapidly.

3. Elizabeth Warren has been - by far - the biggest surpassed of expectations thus far. It seems crystal clear she is the most policy-save of the group and has dramatically surpassed expectation as a campaigner. She has also been the anti-Hillary in terms of tone. She is easily the most skilled at messaging the borderline socialist policies as capitalist friendly. Her open love of business and markets ran well doesn't make other working folks or capitalists feel like idiots ala Bernie. Have to see where it goes but she has been 10x stronger than every other candidate; if she had Bernie or Biden's name power, she would be seen as Hillary-esque inevitable.

If she keeps this up, iDK if she will win but she will have huge following & be a very powerful figure afterwards.

4. Kamala Harris has been - by far - the most disappointing. Her style of messaging is horrible & needs a lot of coaching if she hopes to win in mainstream America. Not hating on her as a person, but the ability campaign is ....REALLY fucking important...and the "holier than thou" prosecutorial style has never faired anybody well aside from TRUMP who is an obvious fluke. Learning the communicate the same points with a more calm, rational, less-attitudey way is much more effective and where she should go.

She needs to improve her style or she isn't going to last long. She should watch some videos of Michelle Obama, Indra Nooyyi, Oprah Winfrey, or even Nikki Haley here. Kamala demeanor comes on way too strong, will never win with moderates; she doesn't seem likable. NOT because she is a woman but because those personality types just don't do well in national elections. Calm down, please.

5. Im just happy this time is no coronation. It is so important for them the Dems to go through the process and let the strongest survive. The amount of good ideas that will come out of the group as a whole that can be used by the nominee is huge. It is totally possible that someone like Kamala Harris will develop as a candidate as they go and be an exceptionally strong contender once they have fully gone through process just like megastar Obama of 2008. 2016 they bypassed it all together (basically) to the benefit of NOBODY.

6. Dems needs to 1) stay POSITIVE about each other, and 2) make the campaign about THEM, not DT. Whoever the bigger celebrity is will probably win; if all they do is talk about DT then he will likely win, very simply.

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Trump pulled another move today to test the limits of his power.

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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?

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https://www.vox.com/2019/5/16/18626744/ ... states-roe

It will be challenged in court. Obviously.

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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?


The controlling precedent is Planned Parenthood v Casey which one could argue overruled Roe and instituted the "undue burden" test.

The rationale behind the law was to challenge Planned Parenthood v Casey. Some on the pro life side think it may go too far. Not because they disagree with the law, but that Roberts and Kavanaugh will re-enforce PP v Casey with that law being the one that goes up. Only Thomas is a certainty to strike down that case as he dissented from it at the onset.

Post Casey,the right has been more incrementalist in it's approach. For example, challenges to partial birth abortion

It'll be deeply hilarious when everyone praises Kavanaugh.


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IM very confused how Alabama is able to ban abortion. Wouldn’t Roe v. Wade have to be overturned for that to be allowed?


They're perfectly aware the law is unconstitutional. They're doing it so it will be appealed and can get to the Supreme Court, where they're sure they're going to win since the Republicans refused to put Obama's nominee on and they were able to get their lying frat boy on there.

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