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Author:  Mau [ Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:13 pm ]
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I feel they're giving Bayley the Gargano heel turn.

Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:10 pm ]
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It's funny that mere months away (late June) from Smackdown going to Fox, these episodes are starting to eerily resemble when I started watching again in 2014 and 2015 in single brand days where they either do that Raw's storyline/promo again (mixed in with literal Raw highlights, repeat Firefly fun house, etc.) and then mix in a few good matches from mid carders that aren't connected to a story. If not for their big move it would have felt like title unifications and a single brand show is on the way as half the current titles are being lost (lol at Finn Balor being in the most matches of anyone for like two years, and then as soon as he won the IC title not appearing at all). I understand there's a reason they went from dual brand to single and then back to dual again and things are cyclical if there isn't enough hot stars, but the move to Fox seems like it couldn't come at a worse time. Are they really going to move to Fox with a single brand show where Smackdown is just Raw lite? Or do they end the wild card rule, let stars like Reigns, Bryan, Charlotte and the New Day only appear on SD, and let Raw become irrelevant?

I watched almost all of the first AEW show Double or Nothing, and it was refreshing to see so many good matches, even if understandably most of these guys are "not stars" and shouldn't be near a microphone. The tag and 6 man tag matches are especially a breath of fresh air. AEW's are actually built about teamwork - what a novel concept - while the WWE's are mostly built around the tag (with half the match just building towards the hot tag). It's also worth the watch for Cody and Dustin's match which must be one of the best of the latter's career.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:36 pm ]
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It sucks, but Stone Cold Steve Austin can still get himself over better than anyone else can on the current roster. One of the last major stars of wrestling.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:48 pm ]
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Someone also theorized that the meaning behind the clock on Firefly Funhouse changing to 11:19 is that Undertaker debuted at a taping on November 19, 1990, although he didn't officially debut on-screen until three days later at Survivor Series. Still, I thought it was a perfect direction to have The Fiend vs. The Undertaker at Survivor Series (since Wrestlemania is no longer Taker's domain, with two losses and just one unofficial match two Manias ago being his last appearance at the event). But it's a leap to assume 11:19 connects to him.

Author:  Mau [ Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:29 pm ]
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How good was AJ last night? HE ATE the NY crowd in the beginning. Like who the fuck cared about Seth and Strowman after what AJ did?

Author:  Corpse [ Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:06 pm ]
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Mister Ecks wrote:
Someone also theorized that the meaning behind the clock on Firefly Funhouse changing to 11:19 is that Undertaker debuted at a taping on November 19, 1990, although he didn't officially debut on-screen until three days later at Survivor Series. Still, I thought it was a perfect direction to have The Fiend vs. The Undertaker at Survivor Series (since Wrestlemania is no longer Taker's domain, with two losses and just one unofficial match two Manias ago being his last appearance at the event). But it's a leap to assume 11:19 connects to him.


I think that's the rumored runtime of WrestleMania 36.

Author:  Logan76 [ Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:51 am ]
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I am only watching WWE.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:09 pm ]
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Corpse wrote:
Mister Ecks wrote:
Someone also theorized that the meaning behind the clock on Firefly Funhouse changing to 11:19 is that Undertaker debuted at a taping on November 19, 1990, although he didn't officially debut on-screen until three days later at Survivor Series. Still, I thought it was a perfect direction to have The Fiend vs. The Undertaker at Survivor Series (since Wrestlemania is no longer Taker's domain, with two losses and just one unofficial match two Manias ago being his last appearance at the event). But it's a leap to assume 11:19 connects to him.


I think that's the rumored runtime of WrestleMania 36.


It would only be funny if it wasn't so close to the truth.

Author:  Mau [ Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:27 am ]
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Why won't they let Sasha/Becky main event COC.

Seth vs Braun is just DOA

Becky can main event WM but not a B PPV?

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:57 am ]
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I think Braun will actually do it this time. All signs point to The Fiend taking the title in October and I think watching It destroy Strowman would put him over as an unstoppable champion.

Author:  Mau [ Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:46 pm ]
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He's the one to never win the big one.
He's basically Big Show pt 2

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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Hate eeeeeeeeeverything about Bray Wyatt being in the title picture this early. It's a new gimmick, he needs more time and more feuds to build himself.

... But... that was one of the best closing moments of a PPV I've seen yet.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:53 pm ]
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Mau wrote:
He's the one to never win the big one.
He's basically Big Show pt 2
Apparently. But even Big Show won the title a few times, most notably at the Survivor Series when Stone Cold got run over by Rikishi. He only kept the title for about a month but it cemented him as more than just a novelty-act.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:56 pm ]
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Feel bad about saying this, but every post-cancer Roman Reigns match has been terrible. Clash of the Champions certainly wasn't a great ppv, I'm not gonna argue that, it was moving along at a very brisk pace though - much like Summerslam. And then, when I thought we were going to main event, we get 30 minutes of Roman v Rowan instead (including recap video, entrances, exits, etc...) and the show grinded to a halt.

Then I remembered Summerslam didn't have Roman, thus why it came in at a very reasonable 3.5 hours.

Author:  Mau [ Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:07 pm ]
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Yaaaaas
Sasha/Becky MUST main event.

They Gon shit on Seth/Bray

Author:  Shack [ Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:41 pm ]
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I was pretty happy with the Stomping Grounds and Extreme rules cycles and PPVs, or maybe it was just the awfulness of Super Showdown that made them look better. The crowd was hot for Stomping Grounds, and Extreme Rules had a nice mix of worker matches (AJ-Ricochet, Cesaro-Black, Kofi-Joe, tag matches, etc.) and storyline matches (Braun-Lashley, mixed tag match) that worked. The Rollins-Becky vs Corbin-Lacey feud was a bold move that could’ve got shit on but hey, I think it worked, and will probably be the most memorable part of Rollins poor title reign. I wouldn’t have guessed it after Wrestlemania, but Kofi’s title reign was more enjoyable than Rollins and it wasn’t that close. Maybe Kofi is just equally or more talented? Rollins has him in the ring, but I like Kofi’s charisma, the only reason it didn’t stand out more before is Xavier and Big E are overwhelming in that area.

I’m pretty impressed by a handful of newcomers. Lacey clearly has the full package to be a future women’s champ, as do Heavy Machinery in their division - I knew Otis was good since I saw him hold his own as a singles wrestler against Ciampa in NXT, but Tucker is more talented than I realized as well, he's a high flying big man and can talk. Also credit to Daniel Bryan for going to the tag division, putting over a young team that could’ve gone the comedy jobber route if things went badly, and making Rowan look pretty solid too. I’m also really impressed by the acting of Nikki Cross in some subtle ways in her story with Alexa. It turns out she’s so good at playing crazy cause she’s just a great actress. Now as a small wrestler with ok athleticism who knows where it goes, but she could get over if she can connect that well. (Speaking of Alexa, I still like her character but has she regressed in the ring since her injury? It is painful to watch her matches lately) Then there’s Ricochet who could be the Finn Balor of the next few years as the good worker-no personality guy. On the downside, they need to get Kairi Sane away from the sinking ship that is Asuka right now. It's clear there wont be time for full time women's tag teams. I still think the women's tag belt can be useful, but I think it should be used to keep singles wrestlers relevant when they're not in the main event picture like Bayley's tag title run with Sasha keeping her afloat before leading to her singles title. Or the next time Charlotte has her post Wrestlemania backseat period, maybe she gets the tag titles for a few months. As for the women's singles division, I'm a little concerned. Becky is now the Man in name only, and is otherwise back to straight fire work hard Becky with a boyfriend and cooler gear. When the Raw Summerslam opponent is Natalya, you probably don't have enough credible challengers. Then again now that tI say that, 6 months from now Shayna Bazler will be involved, Charlotte will be in the mix and it will be red hot again.

As for Lesnar winning the title, I guess you can’t blame them after they put the belt on two worker guys in Rollins and Kofi and the ratings didn’t work. just hope he doesn’t hold it all the way to Wrestlemania. I don’t think Brock should *ever* have the title in the fall part of the calendar other than when he squashed Cena. Why not just treat him like Charlotte and give him his annual 4 months a year of doing nothing to avoid people getting burned out of him, and then win it back at the Royal Rumble? I thought the Summerslam in 2017 where he beat Joe, Braun and Reigns was one of the most pointless booking decisions of the last few years and likely cost Joe or Braun a title reign that could’ve changed their careers (my suspicion is it was all so Vince could erase CM Punk’s title record, same with Reigns losing at Wrestlemania the next year)

I watched the first Raw and Smackdown after Extreme Rules (first for Heyman/Bischoff?) and Raw came off a little meh, including a fatal four way divas match that felt like it lasted at least 20 minutes and was one of the excruciating matches I’ve ever seen. I don’t really care about Rollins/Lesnar cause Lesnar has to win right? For the second straight year, the SS main event is just a dull Wrestlemania rewind. Speaking of, Lesnar winning Money in the Bank was a total waste. If he didn’t win it, they could’ve just done Lesnar/Rollins at Summerslam anyways, and making Rollins lose the belt at Summerslam is a natural end path after the big Wrestlemania victory. It feels more like they didn’t like any young wrestler becoming champion yet (probably losing faith in Drew and fearing he would be a Baron Corbin if he won) but MITB cash in had to be successful after 2 straight male losses, so they just gave it to Brock to put the MITB briefcase over. Still, what a message to send to give what could've been a career changing MITB win to someone else to a 42 year old part timer who doesn't need it whatsoever. I do like babyface Kevin Owens even if the attempt to make him Stone Cold is a little blatant between the stunner and feuding McMahon. I think Shane has done a pretty good job as a heel, sure he takes a lot of time from other wrestlers, but they made a clear choice with him that instead of making him a goofily over the top bad guy that people enjoyed, they would just make him as hate-able as possible and tone down any sort of Vince style theatrics to get himself over, and I think it worked.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:40 pm ]
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Stomping Grounds and Extreme Rules were good. Summerslam too. They had a nice little streak going.

The Fiend is still awesome. I could see Undertaker costing him the win now but title or no title that is your Survivor Series main event.

Baron is still lame.

Author:  Corpse [ Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:06 pm ]
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So, they're going to crown Lesnar with the WWE title on the debut episode of Smackdown on Fox I see...

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:38 am ]
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I get why that'd be seen as a huge draw, but are you really gonna have your longest reigning black champion lose his title on Fox as your first act? I know Disney owns them now but they still have that reputation ….

I hope Kevin Owens comes out and messes it up just to spite Shane. I'd like to see KO v Brock in a big time match and it doesn't need the title attached to it.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:26 pm ]
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Mister Ecks wrote:
I do have an awful feeling that Brock Lesnar's no rematch for the Universal Title scenario will develop into him taking the title from Kofi, maybe on the FOX debut of Smackdown Live. I'd prefer if Brock switched to Smackdown, except that it means we'll likely get ANOTHER Brock vs. Roman Wrestlemania match out of it.


August 14th I wrote that. I'm not often right, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I was honestly okay with Brock showing up this week, until I realized the second part of my prediction will likely also come true. But honestly, WWE needs to do something with Kofi and his title run. He deserved this year, he has been one of the best, most underutilized talent. However... his personality and his mic work, especially when he's without Xavier and Big E, are severely lacking. And it shows with the audience reactions of late.

Other thoughts:

-I don't get why they're ruining Michael Bennett, Maria and now Rusev with this god-awful storyline. How do you bring Rusev back by having him beat down Bennett and apparently? be the father to Maria's baby. And Maria is a really strong talker. It's too bad they wouldn't have her manage a few superstars.

-Giving Baron Corbin the crown makes a ton of sense. He's one of the most hated heels in WWE, making him even more obnoxious only adds to him. I just hope it doesn't push him into a bigger role.

-I really wish they would have waited with The Fiend. This is still too damn fast. He needed a few more matches and storylines before doing this. And this is all assuming he's going to win at Hell in a Cell. If WWE actually makes him lose... that'll be a huge blow. But if he wins, he's going to risk over-exposure with the audience. And with Becky and Kofi as examples, once WWE leans into someone after they catch fire with the audience, it always ends in disaster. Becky is rebounding a lot with the Sasha storyline, but she needs to drop the title soon and have her in pursuit instead.

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:31 pm ]
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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
The Fiend is still awesome. I could see Undertaker costing him the win now but title or no title that is your Survivor Series main event.


If this comes to fruition, it's the biggest reason why the Seth storyline should have waited. He could have went after someone else for now, or kept showing up randomly. Then when Undertaker makes an appearance (will he be at the Smackdown FOX debut?), imagine Undertaker cutting his usual Deadman promo, and have The Fiend show up in there. Would be insanity and I'd love it.

But Taker costing him the title will damage Bray. The Fiend needs to go after Taker, not the other way around. It would be incredible.

Author:  Corpse [ Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:31 pm ]
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The "who's the father?" storyline is indeed, probably, the worst (and bizarre) this decade since it's actually been turned into an ongoing arc...

Author:  Mister Ecks [ Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:36 pm ]
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Corpse wrote:
The "who's the father?" storyline is indeed, probably, the worst (and bizarre) this decade since it's actually been turned into an ongoing arc...


There's no angle for anyone to cheer. Maria is obviously the heel, but Bennett isn't being pushed as the babyface either, he's portrayed as weak and boring. Rusev comes in and he's obviously a heel. There's no comedy to it, except when R-Truth and the 24/7 Championship were involved. So... I don't get what's supposed to appeal to fans.

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:43 pm ]
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Well surely they aren’t gonna stick with Rusev being the father? Next week it will be someone new beating up Mike. The bad-comedy equivalent of the US title open challenge.

Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:44 pm ]
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I made it up to pre Summerslam, so time for another update...

- I'm confused about the Reigns booking. I don't have a problem with the "Who attacked him?" storyline, but why leave him without a clear match at Summerslam, and why make the person who attacked him a D lister in Rowan? And if for some reason they think he has potential, why not do your little Rowan-Reigns feud at a random Payback type B PPV instead of a week before Summerslam? Or why can't Bryan have been the one behind the attack? I mean it wouldn't it be good timing for Bryan and Reigns to have a Summerslam feud that leads into Hell in a Cell? I wouldn't mind seeing Joe and Reigns team together against Rowan and Bryan but it would be a late announcement if it happens

- Almost all the years since I started watching again I haven't been in a great state of mind, but I can't remember the last time I was impressed by the Summerslam card for it being the 2nd major. It always seems to be quite bland, have several rematches from previous PPVs and almost never has some cage match or ladder match or last man standing or something to make it more interesting (closest I can think of is Enzo in a shark cage match lol) which is a sign that the storylines aren't emotionally charged for a weapons match. I would complain about them leaning heavily on older wrestlers like Goldberg and Trish but it's not like the main roster is providing a lot of great alternatives. Without the divas having a relatively solid card of Charlotte-Trish and Becky-Natalya with the Canada hook and Bayley-Ember, it would look totally dreadful. Lesnar vs a Rollins who can barely walk in kayfabe seems like a terrible, unnecessary main event. I think they should've taken care of the Rollins storyline at one of the previous PPVs and done some triple threat with Lesnar, Lashley and Strowman or something, or 4 way with Rollins.

- I'm glad Becky is acting like a heel, but it seems like the more she does, the more the crowd will cheer her again. I guess there's worse outcomes.

- I know that eventually the every week watchers will get used to "The OC" and its Original-Official-Only Club meaning, but I can't help but feel that the casual fans that tune in are going to laugh at it, and if they're on Smackdown sometimes they'll be on Fox of all places. Also, making them AJ's stooges are fine, but I didn't need another Gallows and Anderson tag titles push, they're boring

Corpse wrote:
Still not watching WWE, really, aside from the Raw/Smackdown Top 10 moments.

A have a question...Why are Goldberg and Ziggler having a match at SummerSlam? I understand that having Goldberg on the card will "help" ratings/attendance, but he's one of those guys reserved for "dream matches."


Not sure if you're still wondering this, but Ziggler's storyline was after the Raw Reunion he was raising some (very valid) complaints about the legends keep coming back and taking screen time from working wrestlers, hence he super kicked HBK. Every promo for 3-4 weeks just happened to include a shot at Goldberg somewhere in his promo, so it was pretty telegraphed that it was setting for an eventual squash match at Summerslam (I presume it's ether that or someone attacks Goldberg). I'll be interested to see how they handle Goldberg's last match if it happens in the next year since with the whole "going out on your back" thing he should lose, and he shouldn't be in anything else but a squash match after the Lesnar feud went well and the Super Showdown match was a tire fire, so whoever beats him should destroy him in my opinion. Lars Sullivan seems like a decent candidate.

On the topic of Dolph now that he's doing the entrance music fake out thing again, I hope this time they go for the Royal Rumble troll and make him come out to Austin's music in Texas or something. I think he came out at #30 in 2018 and they didn't troll, which was the biggest missed opportunity since not calling the 4th Damon Bourne movie Bourne Again or Re-Bourne

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